Fappiano line breeding

[griff]

What do you people think about a 3S X 3D to Fappianno??

Albert The Great X Adamandia's Girl

this also brings a 5S X 4D to Buckpasser to the fray.

griff

[Dave C]

If it produces a stakes winner the breeder is brilliant and if the horse is crooked and can't run the breeder is an idiot. I have a filly who has a similar inbreeding/linebreeding pattern so I would not shy away from it purely on pedigree.

[griff]

Thanks Dave C

my dad told me the difference between lin-breeding and in-breeding is that is was considered line-breeding when it worked and in-breeding when it did not work.

Are there any 3S X 3D Fappianno horse that have done anything?

Thought about taking AG to Go For Gin as that foal would have a similar pedigree to Albert The Great but I want the Prospect Bay foal AG is carrying now to be a PABRED, as well as WVSIRED

griff

[docjocoy]

Goldmine has 8 SW horses listed with Fappiano on top and bottom:

Anak Nakal 3x3
Le Mix Geaux 3x4
Symphony Sid 2x3 with Buckpasser 5x5
Geeza 4x4
Sir Gillovic 3x4
Liam's Dream 4x3
Prenuptial 3x4
Warning Flag 4x4

The VSG score is low .51 but the sample size is also small.

[xfactor fan]

Grif,

You might take a look at the female family of your mare. Is she from the same family as Dr. Fager or Fappiano?

Here's the logic behind this;

mtDNA is transmitted by the female family, and seems to govern how energy is used by the cells.

So the idea is to match up the mtDNA energy usage with the most efficent body parts.

Think of this as matching fuel to engine. Better to use a tractor engine if your fuel is diesel, not so great if you are using jet fuel.

[griff]

bottom line is Silver Buck, Halo, Swaps --- so i guess the mtDNA is not at work here

griff

[xfactor fan]

Who's the tail female of your mare, or your mare's name? I'll look her up and try to figure what mtDNA she has. Some of the mtDNA female lines are ---shall we say confused? And some of this has been sorted out. There's a long article on the TB Heritage site under genetic that makes a start.

[Georgerz]

The name of the mare is in the first post: Adamandias Girl

[griff]

Thanks Xfactor fan, I appreciate the offer

Georgez is correct, the mare is Adamandia's Girl she is by Cryptoclearance and o/o a Silver buck daughter named Halo Silver.

She's in foal now to Prospect Bay and one of the reasons I was looking at Albert The Great is I plan make that 2012 foal a PABRED and WVSIRED by having the mare drop the 2012 foal in PA and breed her back to a PA stallion.

Would be interested if you can find a better match in PA.

griff

[Joltman]

You might try playing around with the Freebie searches from Coolmore (esp Majestic warrier) with the mare, as there are some apparently interesting interactions with the Halo blood in the mare.

Based on that, you might find a guy in PA that would line up with affinities in a similar way.

jm

[griff]

Thanks

I'll do that

griff

[xfactor fan]

Griff,

She's from family #5, tail female to the Massey Mare. According to the Hill study she's most likely Halotype "L"


Here's a section from the TB Heritage site.

The "L" variant was also found as an anomaly in family 11, which researchers determined could trace back as far as Young Camilla of 1787; there is no doubt that Young Camilla or one of her descendants in the female line, and all the subsequent progeny, are of the same matriline as most of the horses tested from the Massey Mare family.

If additional testing of these two branches of family 5 confirm the dual matrilines extending that far back in the pedigrees, a great many horses' pedigrees will need to be reconsidered. Those still associated with family 5 via the "L" haplotype include the French-bred winner of the English Triple Crown, Gladiateur (1862); the great grey ghost, Native Dancer (1950); the mare Rough Shod (1944), whose descendants include the great English sire Sadler's Wells (1981) and the excellent sire Nureyev (1977); the 1898 mare Doris, and her son, dual-classic winner Sunstar and daughter, Epsom Oaks winner Princess Dorrie; the descendents of Oaks winner Miami (1844), including English Triple Crown champoin Galtee More (1894), the good racehorse and sire Djebel (1937), and American horses Swing On (1926), Equipoise (1928), and the great Seabiscuit (1933).


So your mare is running on the same "fuel" as Native Dancer, Seabiscuit, Rough Shod -- Good company over all.

I'd guess that this version of mtDNA is best at a distance.

Albert the Great if from a different version of mtDNA.

[griff]

how does she nick with Prospect Bay by Crafty Prospector o/o Danzig mare?

and Garnered [by Holy Bull o/o Afleet daughter]

griff

[xfactor fan]

Prospect Bay has the same mtDNA as your mare. Garnered does not.

Or at least Prospect Bay should have the same mtDNA type according to the information out right now.

So with Prospect Bay you know that his collection of genes work with the mtDNA. Looks like he was a fast one too. Any reason he retired after 7 races?

Just for the record this idea of matching mtDNA is an updated version of "Breed to the best blood of the dam" a breeding theory that has been around for quite a while.

[griff]

Don't know why Prospect Bay did not run more races but do know he was the fastest horse in NA in 1996.

My concern with this Prospect Bay X Adamandia's Girl nick is the resulting 3S x 4D to Mr Prospector Had a 3S x 4D to Mr P o/o this same mare by Emancipator which also added a line to Danzig and she had very bad knees. Don't know if I grew her too fast, or it was too much Mr P or I raced her too soon..
When I took Emancipated Woman off te track and bred her I asked the Vet that pronounced her ready for stress training for a copy of her X rays and he could not find them. Good education but he tuition is very high

griff