Inbreeding to Sadler's Wells

Bill from WA · Postby **Bill from WA** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:56 pm

Thoughts?

brogers · Postby **brogers** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:36 pm

296 starters
134 winners
7 stakes winners
1 G1SW.

As good a stallion as he was, it seems inbreeding to him is not nearly effective.

hpkingjr · Postby **hpkingjr** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:40 pm

Our database lists five horses inbred to him 2x3 or 3x3. Only one runner according to these stats.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? ... _font=1&l=

The czech's in the male.

Bill from WA · Postby **Bill from WA** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:27 pm

Thanks for the responses. After reading this article I was curious to hear some thoughts. I appreciate the stats.

http://blog.summerhill.co.za/blog/2010/ ... allel.html

Bill

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:08 am

What is the primary bloodline that's been infused outside of SW? Are their any sons of El Prado with Mr. Prospector or AP Indy then crossed to a son of SW who's in Europe? I'd be really curious to see what external influences are present.

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:03 am

Concerning nicks www.galopp-sieger.de again offers an excellent overview:

http://www.galopp-sieger.de/galoppsiege ... rthern%20D

As far as I can see, there is no distinct pattern, he has great progeny with mares from any sire-line.

vineyridge · Postby **vineyridge** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:19 pm

Parlo, has anyone in Germany done Sadler's Wells x a Waldrun family mare? That's FF5-h x FF5-h, albeit very far apart. I just found some, but they are Irish. The mare is Waldmark, and she produced Sadler's Mark and Wallace Saddie to Sadler's Wells, Masked Marvel to Montjeu, Gifted Icon to a Nureyev son, Peintre Celebre, and Waldlerche to Monsun. Most have been auctioned as yearlings for fancy prices and sold again as 3 yos for way less money. None of them have set the world on fire on the track. They keep trying, though.

Is using Rough Shod or Dalmary or Simons Shoes for doubling with Sadler's Wells a decent scenario? The nicking people won't catch it, of course.

I did find El Condor Pasa with Nureyev in the sire lines, tail female to Rough Shod and damsire Sadler's Wells. And his son here, also Rough Shod tail female:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/passing+mark

Festival Hall is out of a Thong daughter and by Sadler's Wells.

Sadler's Wells to Goody Two Shoes works much, much better.

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:53 am

vineyridge wrote:Parlo, has anyone in Germany done Sadler's Wells x a Waldrun family mare? ...

All horses of some importance are listed in the chart I linked above ( www.galopp-sieger.de ). I don't actually know if and how many horses with the nick you want are in the pipeline.