Dumb Historical Question

[vineyridge]

When looking into the roots sections of PQ, there are a lot of English imports to the colonies. Some of both stallions and mares have pedigrees and some don't.

How many of the very early imports from England ended up in the first few GSBs? Were there imports to the colonies that were definitely English and have pedigrees who were not in the GSB? I seem to be running into a lot of horse names that I do not recognize at all.

To put this more lucidly, just because an horse imported from England in colonial times is shown in PQ with a pedigree of some sort or other, does that mean the horse made the GSB?

For instance, Lees Mark Anthony is out of a US mare named Moll Brazen, both of whose parents are GB. Both her dam and granddam are a mare named Miss Colville who doesn't have a family number, although she is by Bartlett's Childers. She was imported to the US, but had two GB foals, Sparks and Young Traveller. Sparks was also imported to the US and was the sire of all her US foals. Young Traveller doesn't show progeny.

Is that family in the early GSBs? Was Jolly Roger? He has a sire, but no dam listed.

I'm wondering how many of the early imports that I've assumed were GSB actually aren't. So many of the early horses in the GSB lacked pedigrees, just as so many colonial imports did. When I see the blank spaces on a GB horse with American descendants, I've always just assumed it was GSB, unless it has an American Family #, but now I'm questioning that assumption.

[Pan Zareta]

*Miss Colville is not in the GSB and was not the dam of Tasker's *Spark 1733c x Aleppo. His dam was a sister (also not in GSB) to Look-About-You by Bartlet's Childers (ref. F. Harrison, EATS 1:78, 2:36). Miss Colville does have well-documented foals by *Spark. The Bloodlines team has designated her the tap of family a91. The A/a numbers encompass not only mares whose roots cannot be traced beyond NorthAm but mares of unknown pedigrees that are believed to have been English imports. *Jolly Roger is also not in the GSB but is well-documented in GB from other sources. The family # is not a reliable benchmark for whether or not early stock was entered in the GSB.

[vineyridge]

*Miss Colville is not in the GSB and was not the dam of Tasker's *Spark 1733c x Aleppo. His dam was a sister (also not in GSB) to Look-About-You by Bartlet's Childers (ref. F. Harrison, EATS 1:78, 2:36). Miss Colville does have well-documented foals by *Spark. The Bloodlines team has designated her the tap of family a91. The A/a numbers encompass not only mares whose roots cannot be traced beyond NorthAm but mares of unknown pedigrees that are believed to have been English imports. *Jolly Roger is also not in the GSB but is well-documented in GB from other sources. The family # is not a reliable benchmark for whether or not early stock was entered in the GSB.

PQ needs to correct the pedigree for *Sparks then.