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WAracefan wrote:I know of a very popular regional stallion who impregnated some of his mares via AI in his latter years. Straight from a guy who worked at the farm.
casallc wrote:Horse semen doesn't tolerate freezing very well. Freezing will kill all sperm cells after freezing of half the horses, the other half will lose at least half of the motility. Horse semen is not as durable as cattle or humans sperm. If you could find it, most likely it wouldn’t work.
camohn wrote:casallc wrote:Horse semen doesn't tolerate freezing very well. Freezing will kill all sperm cells after freezing of half the horses, the other half will lose at least half of the motility. Horse semen is not as durable as cattle or humans sperm. If you could find it, most likely it wouldn’t work.
Huh? Yes, freezing sperm is often not as good as fresh....but "if you can find it, most likely it wouldn't work" off off by a loooong shot. If a stallion's semen freezes well?Some does/some doesn't. Depends on the stallion. You better believe many warmblood stallions that are still showing offer frozen semen as the only breeding option, and with in foal rates only a little lower than with fresh cooled. Many WB stallions have it as an option...depending on their location and show schedule. Some offer fresh if the stallion is home/frozen if he is on the road. If you are here in the US and you want to breed to a stallion from Europe frozen is the only choice you have and folks here do that plenty! What IS important with frozen is having a vet that can do it right. You DO have a much smaller window to work with (about 12 hours) once the semen is thawed so it does require frequent us monitoring by the vet doing the AI. I HAVE frozen WB semen in storage. For this stallion his post thaw motility rate is 40%. I have seen it range from 30% to 60%. And yes...some stallion's won't tolerated freezing at all. For that reason stallions that are frozen the owners usually give breedings away for free to see if the stuff works when defrosted.
casallc wrote:WAracefan wrote:I know of a very popular regional stallion who impregnated some of his mares via AI in his latter years. Straight from a guy who worked at the farm.
When I went to Colorado State University's AI and embryo transplant course in 1979, John Williams and the breeding barn crew from Spendthrift was enrolled in the AI course. Your guess is as good as mine why.
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madelyn wrote:Well that crew certainly can't be at Spendthrift now.
I took a mare there on June 22nd and the crew were all young Hispanics. I seriously doubt any employer would spend the money to send them to Colorado for a seminar given in English.
magic code wrote:Where did you look for it?
Heidilady wrote:magic code wrote:Where did you look for it?
Firstly I'd just like to congratulate everyone for not responding to the above question to Jordan with their mind in the gutter. It was supposed to mean how was he searching for it online it seems like but I got this image of Jordan going around to someone's back porch freezer and opening it to see if there were any vials of frozen semen inside marked 'Secretariat.' I was kinda amazed at y'alls restraint but I'll admit some quips would've been nice.
So question, if War Emblem just won't put out even after working with a US breeder if/when the Japanese chuck'im, should they just opt for sport horse breeding? Some folks suggested sending him to the KY Horse Park but with all due respect, those poor people already manage to handle John Henry. Do we really wanna foist another mean s.o.b. on them? I don't think War Emblem's got a soft spot on him. I think the late great Forego killed a groom once didn't he? I dunno maybe they'd want him but surely someone should see if he's a viable sport horse sire first. For that matter they could send him to the Park and collect when it's closed.
camohn wrote:weeeeel I would say that temperment would be a big liability to the sporthorse folks! Temperment is way more important to SH folks than racing folks.
camohn wrote:casallc wrote:Horse semen doesn't tolerate freezing very well. Freezing will kill all sperm cells after freezing of half the horses, the other half will lose at least half of the motility. Horse semen is not as durable as cattle or humans sperm. If you could find it, most likely it wouldn’t work.
Huh? Yes, freezing sperm is often not as good as fresh....but "if you can find it, most likely it wouldn't work" off off by a loooong shot. If a stallion's semen freezes well?Some does/some doesn't. Depends on the stallion. You better believe many warmblood stallions that are still showing offer frozen semen as the only breeding option, and with in foal rates only a little lower than with fresh cooled. Many WB stallions have it as an option...depending on their location and show schedule. Some offer fresh if the stallion is home/frozen if he is on the road. If you are here in the US and you want to breed to a stallion from Europe frozen is the only choice you have and folks here do that plenty! What IS important with frozen is having a vet that can do it right. You DO have a much smaller window to work with (about 12 hours) once the semen is thawed so it does require frequent us monitoring by the vet doing the AI. I HAVE frozen WB semen in storage. For this stallion his post thaw motility rate is 40%. I have seen it range from 30% to 60%. And yes...some stallion's won't tolerated freezing at all. For that reason stallions that are frozen the owners usually give breedings away for free to see if the stuff works when defrosted.
No,he didn't.Heidilady wrote:magic code wrote:Where did you look for it?
Firstly I'd just like to congratulate everyone for not responding to the above question to Jordan with their mind in the gutter. It was supposed to mean how was he searching for it online it seems like but I got this image of Jordan going around to someone's back porch freezer and opening it to see if there were any vials of frozen semen inside marked 'Secretariat.' I was kinda amazed at y'alls restraint but I'll admit some quips would've been nice.
So question, if War Emblem just won't put out even after working with a US breeder if/when the Japanese chuck'im, should they just opt for sport horse breeding? Some folks suggested sending him to the KY Horse Park but with all due respect, those poor people already manage to handle John Henry. Do we really wanna foist another mean s.o.b. on them? I don't think War Emblem's got a soft spot on him. I think the late great Forego killed a groom once didn't he? I dunno maybe they'd want him but surely someone should see if he's a viable sport horse sire first. For that matter they could send him to the Park and collect when it's closed.
I manage a stallion division and did the course.Went to just review some things and to improve my knowledge of collecting horses,usually prior to the breeding season,to get baseline counts as we began.I have never used that knowledge for AI work,in factme and a friend skipped the whole freezing part to go drive around Ft. Collins...so people who don't AI go as well....no conspiracy or anything.casallc wrote:WAracefan wrote:I know of a very popular regional stallion who impregnated some of his mares via AI in his latter years. Straight from a guy who worked at the farm.
When I went to Colorado State University's AI and embryo transplant course in 1979, John Williams and the breeding barn crew from Spendthrift was enrolled in the AI course. Your guess is as good as mine why.
SlewCrew wrote:No,he didn't.Heidilady wrote:magic code wrote:Where did you look for it?
Firstly I'd just like to congratulate everyone for not responding to the above question to Jordan with their mind in the gutter. It was supposed to mean how was he searching for it online it seems like but I got this image of Jordan going around to someone's back porch freezer and opening it to see if there were any vials of frozen semen inside marked 'Secretariat.' I was kinda amazed at y'alls restraint but I'll admit some quips would've been nice.
So question, if War Emblem just won't put out even after working with a US breeder if/when the Japanese chuck'im, should they just opt for sport horse breeding? Some folks suggested sending him to the KY Horse Park but with all due respect, those poor people already manage to handle John Henry. Do we really wanna foist another mean s.o.b. on them? I don't think War Emblem's got a soft spot on him. I think the late great Forego killed a groom once didn't he? I dunno maybe they'd want him but surely someone should see if he's a viable sport horse sire first. For that matter they could send him to the Park and collect when it's closed.
