They just need to keep breeding Storm Cat to Daughters of

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:48 pm

Who the hell is Our Pleasant Home?

And fair enough... let's see if he can out gallop Honor My Flag, Leading the Parade, or With Flying Colors.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:49 pm

And stop editing your posts 15 times... who the hell is Our Pleasant Home? You seemed to have removed the name replaced it with Smuggler and Pine Island.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:52 pm

By the way, Smuggler is by Unbridled which means she has "poison" in those veins, and you missed the point with Pine Island... she's tail-female to Our Country Place. If it wasnt for a purchase 10 years ago, she would never have been in cherry and black, as neither would your sacred Boca Grande and Pleasant Home.

Foggytrip · Postby **Foggytrip** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:55 pm

Are you guys married :?:

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:57 pm

No. But I did recently take out a restraining order against him. I caught him in my pantie drawer while looking at a picture of Dinny Phipps.

Foggytrip · Postby **Foggytrip** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:03 pm

Funny

If that was his first offense you should have cut him some slack on the protection order

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:07 pm

Maven wrote:No. But I did recently take out a restraining order against him. I caught him in my pantie drawer while looking at a picture of Dinny Phipps.

that was a good one

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:11 pm

Oops...I keep typing Our Pleasant Home instead of Our Country Place. I guess a country place could be a pleasant home. LOL! And caught you editing, too, Maven...great minds think alike. What can I say...your ravishing beauty makes me go back to correct spelling errors.

Anyway, On Parade has been a tremendous producer from the Grecian Banner family of broodies, huh? Tell me about Parading and Viva La Flag. Phipps will be selling pencils out of a tin cup with more foals like them.

And...I didn't think you wore panties, Maven. After all...why bother?

Hey Foggy...shaddap! Grrrr!!!!!

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:43 pm

On Parade's oldest is a winning 4yo. You cant possibly be saying she's a huge disappointment so far? She's yet to prove herself one way or another. What that family needed was a dose of speed, and Storm Cat gave it that. The Rahy should be interesting... reverse nick.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:09 pm

The breeding program needs Hail To Reason in the worst way!!!! Storm Cat has given the program a bunch of culls. Hail To Reason + Buckpasser = Pine Island, and a MILLION MORE top runners and stallions (More Than Ready, AP Indy...).

And just remember that Storm Cat is more dependent on Rahy than Rahy is on Storm Cat. Storm Cat's best son at stud is Giant's Causeway - with Rahy. The BEST Rahys never carried Storm Cat (Tranquility Lake, Dreaming Of Anna, Fantastic Light, Serena's Song, Hawksley Hill, Noverre, Tate's Creek...) It's ridiculous how good Rahy runners are when they're not mixed with poison!

sunday_silence · Postby **sunday_silence** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:25 pm

Please. Can we not use that physical disaster Pine Island as a shining example of the Phipps breeding program and the Hail to Reason line? A filly so crooked they didn't even really want her, but they figured nobody would buy her at auction, so they kept her. Ability she may have possessed, but not the precious soundness. Just like most of the other top horses nowadays, it would seem.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:34 pm

The difference is that even though she was a front end train wreck, she could still run.

By comparison....how many races has The Green Monkey had? Storm Cat over Unbridled = My Achin Butt!!!! No Buckpasser/Hail To Reason in there, I notice!

I'm glad you brought up the point that I keep getting PMed - that Pletcher doesn't break down (percentagewise) any more than anyone else. Pine Island is a great example how wrong that is - Shug depends on what's bred...he's going to wind up with Pine Island physicals. Miller did, Gaver did, Whiteley did, all the greats did. Pletcher's stock is hand picked at the sales and/or the best that an owner/breeder can give him. Does Pletcher work with horses that are toed in, crowfooted, sickle hocked, offset, have short cannons, or anything like that? There's no excuse for Pletcher's percentage to be the same as other trainers that train horses with worse physicals to work with.

LaTroienne · Postby **LaTroienne** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:28 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:The difference is that even though she was a front end train wreck, she could still run.

By comparison....how many races has The Green Monkey had? Storm Cat over Unbridled = My Achin Butt!!!! No Buckpasser/Hail To Reason in there, I notice!

*snip*.

Actually, TGM's pedigree does contain Hail to Reason. His third dam, Allouette, was by Proud Birdie, son of Proud Clarion, son of Hail to Reason.

sunday_silence · Postby **sunday_silence** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:00 pm

I'm no fan of Pletcher. I think a lot of talent probably falls through the cracks with him, because not every horse fits his "program." He's got enough stock that he doesn't worry about the horses who need some special/unique attention and handling. And I would never disagree that it can be more difficult to be a stable trainer, because you're depending on a breeding program that is bound to be cyclical. As far as that goes, though, the Phippses are among the last and best of that dying breed. But, I still don't think Pine Island is a good advertisement for them as breeders or Shug as a trainer. It's impossible to know, but perhaps she would've been better served by getting started about the time she was losing her life on the track. Or she might've eventually broken down anyway. Any way I look at it, however, she was not a sound filly and her physical makeup was either the cause or at the very least did not help. I am very sorry she died, but am not sorry she won't be in the gene pool.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:05 pm

Her unsoundness comes from Matlacha Pass, her dam. She was an extremely talented mare who was/is a conformational wreck. They couldn't keep her together on the track. A lot would have to be attributed to Seeking the Gold, who's damline, that of Flitabout, is renowned for unsoundness issues, including stallion Reviewer, who is often blamed as the genetic weaklink to Ruffian's demise.