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Postby JCBloodstock » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:44 pm

How do you figure his best horses are all active at the same time ???

Smart Strike has shown a lot of potential from day one.

His 1st crop he sired 10 stakes winners from 59 foals that included million dollar earners Tenpins and Fleetstreet Dancer

His second crop 6 stakes winners from 72 foals but it included Horse Of The Year Soaring Free and Champion Portcullis

His 3rd crop included Added Edge

His 4th crop included Champion Eye Of The Sphinx and Grade 1 SW Shadow Cast

English Channel came out of his fith crop and Curlin out of his 7th crop;

With the group of mares Smart Strike will be breeding this year will finally be the equivalency of what A. P. Indy and Storm Cat have bred all along.His best most likely is still out there to come.

A. P. Indy will be 20 next year and is cryptochid to boot.His days may also be getting thin just because of the one testicle syndrome.

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Postby Mood Swings » Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:51 pm

My mare was "boosted" last year after she was bred to an older stallion while I waited, didn't take very long at all.
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Postby springboro » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:05 pm

boosted while being bred to a gelding..... someone help me out ????

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Postby Danzig » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:42 pm

Not sure how many SC has covered thus far, but a very reliable source here in Lexington told me today that he currently has two mares pronounced in-foal.

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Postby Danzig » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:43 pm

Not sure how many SC has covered thus far, but a very reliable source here in Lexington told me today that he currently has two mares pronounced in-foal.

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Postby London » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:04 pm

JCBloodstock wrote:How do you figure his best horses are all active at the same time ???

Smart Strike has shown a lot of potential from day one.

His 1st crop he sired 10 stakes winners from 59 foals that included million dollar earners Tenpins and Fleetstreet Dancer

His second crop 6 stakes winners from 72 foals but it included Horse Of The Year Soaring Free and Champion Portcullis

His 3rd crop included Added Edge

His 4th crop included Champion Eye Of The Sphinx and Grade 1 SW Shadow Cast

English Channel came out of his fith crop and Curlin out of his 7th crop;

With the group of mares Smart Strike will be breeding this year will finally be the equivalency of what A. P. Indy and Storm Cat have bred all along.His best most likely is still out there to come.

A. P. Indy will be 20 next year and is cryptochid to boot.His days may also be getting thin just because of the one testicle syndrome.

Sincerely-Jeff


I started off my comment with how consistently good he's been, but his stud fee hike came off the success of Curlin, English Channel, etc. of 2007.

Most of his previous graded winners or champions did their best running in Canada and more times than not could not transfer that form in the states.

Soaring Free, although a champion in Canada, never showed it in the states when it counted.

Tenpins was a good horse but never had the ability to win at the G1 level.

Fleetstreet Dancer had huge help in the earnings department from his single stakes win that happened in Japan. Otherwise, he was a multiple graded stakes placed runner. Good horse but never was able to get the job done.

Portcullis success was also limited to Canadian races.

Added Edge was a consistent G3 performer.

Further more, many of his stakes winners have been homebreds by Sam Son farm. Everyone know how incredible their broodmare band is, so it's not like he was getting dogs at stud.

Again, I think Smart Strike is a terrific stallion, but until getting two extremely good runners in Curlin and English Channel in 07, he was a stallion who had produced good runners who seemed like they just couldn't break through when it counted in the states.

And just to further my point, Smart Strike has produced four US G1 winners, and all but one of them earned G1's in 2007. Again, he had an explosive year and that's why they could justify a stud fee hike of a 100k.

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Postby AscotStud » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:52 pm

Now, maybe all those moaners who screamed every time a mare was retired and announced as going to Storm Cat in the last 2 years will get it. He was getting OLD. He wasn't going to be around for ever. IF you were going to go, you had to go NOW.


So retire a filly and breed to a stallion because he won't be around long...who cares what you might get, it's Storm Cat. Why not breed to the best stallion for the mare, regardless of how old he is or long he will be around. Oh I forgot there is business involved, which doesn't involve breeding and raising the best race horse possible.
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Postby AscotStud » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:00 pm

Soaring Free, although a champion in Canada, never showed it in the states when it counted


He was a track record holder and Graded winner at Keeneland if I'm not mistaken, won the Woodbine Mile G1, which is a race in Canada that has been won by Leroidesanimaux, Kip Deville and Shakespeare in recent years and was 4th or 5th in the BC Mile at SA (I think) after he washed out big time. Of all the horses mentioned he was not just a Canadian wonder.

I agree with the rest of them, but he was a top class horse in Canada and the US, it just happened that he was based in Canada and ran there more often.
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Postby wallinga » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:55 pm

I think 'the next' Storm cat should have stock that can operated on both sides of the Atlantic like he did. Unlike AP Indy, Smart Strike, Distorted Humour etc

that european money has to count for something. I'd say Kingmambo but he has his own issues.

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Postby wallinga » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:56 pm

At the end of the day we have seen some epoch making sires finish up in the last few years. Danzig and Danehill spring to mind. I've heard Sadlers is on the way out too.

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Postby geowarrior » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:56 pm

Who mentioned 'screaming and moaning' in this thread?

Now I'm laughing so much I can't follow the argument.

And I thought Sadlers Wells was already gone - did I get ahead of myself?

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Postby wallinga » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:24 pm

No not yet, he's 28 and served mares again this season. He's definately the greatest sire son of Northern Dancer and I'd say they can give him a rest now that Montjeu and Gallileo are kicking goals.

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Postby geowarrior » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:53 pm

Oh yes, Wallinga he deserves a few years of retirement I should think. A truly great sire.

Storm Cat too - he's 'served' us well, deserves a rest also.

But do they miss the breeding when they are pensioned? Are they happy?

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Postby Intrinsic Worth » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:41 am

geowarrior wrote:Oh yes, Wallinga he deserves a few years of retirement I should think. A truly great sire.

Storm Cat too - he's 'served' us well, deserves a rest also.

But do they miss the breeding when they are pensioned? Are they happy?



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Postby geowarrior » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:46 pm

So the ideal retirement would be a pasture with some mares? Or would that be too stressful?