SAY WHAT??!!

spex4me · Postby **spex4me** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:15 am

Ok is it OPPOSITE DAY and someone forgot to tell me???

Big Brown and buddies no druggies per owner:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=3456818

Larry Jones' horse fails test:

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5icnRH1APszqZk1i_C5urXwBxibQg

Barbaro06 · Postby **Barbaro06** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:42 am

Upside down day.....

nferro9925 · Postby **nferro9925** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:06 am

"I know Big Brown or any of our horses do not need this stuff to win," Iavarone said to The Times" M Iavrone quote

Then why start??

Crystal · Postby **Crystal** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:50 am

why wait until Oct.?? Why not now? Oh yeah Saratoga season..

Blue feather · Postby **Blue feather** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:16 am

A bold commitment such as this should be commended.

Barbaro06 · Postby **Barbaro06** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:58 pm

Yeah, cold turkey as of now. Why wait....

spex4me · Postby **spex4me** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:39 pm

I still wish I could figure out why Jones says someone is out for him..... wish he'd expound on that.......

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:59 pm

I'm with you Spex. Folks I've encountered with grandiose views of people out to get them usually fall under the paranoid schizophrenic category.

Roger · Postby **Roger** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:22 pm

Why are all of you jumping on Jones, his record speaks for itself. One supicious positive in a life time should say something.

spex4me · Postby **spex4me** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:02 pm

I'm definitely not jumping on Jones. I just wish he'd clarify that statement a bit.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:22 am

To imply sabotage is the reason for a bad test, IMO, is way over the top. What is the motivation for covertly planting clenbuterol into his horse's system? Eight Belles death? Your going to sneak into Jones barn and plant Clenbuterol on one of his horses entered to cast doubt on Jones assertion that Eight Belles was clean?

It is far more likely there was human error emanating from his barn or the test lab than sabotage..

Sysonby · Postby **Sysonby** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:58 am

zinn21 wrote:To imply sabotage is the reason for a bad test, IMO, is way over the top. What is the motivation for covertly planting clenbuterol into his horse's system? Eight Belles death? Your going to sneak into Jones barn and plant Clenbuterol on one of his horses entered to cast doubt on Jones assertion that Eight Belles was clean?

It is far more likely there was human error emanating from his barn or the test lab than sabotage..

Good point. Why Clenbuterol is you want to discredit someone? Planting Morphine I could see but not Clenbuterol. It makes no sense from that perspective.

Roger · Postby **Roger** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:59 am

Put yourself in his boots and how paranoid would you be? What if he does not use clenbuterol, what if his owners are being courted, by another trainer, what if he fired someone lately, what if some idiot blames him for eight belles, what if some owner changed to him from another trainer, what ifs, on the backside are very real. I feel that Jones does take the blame for eight belles and that is a heavy burden. Clenbuterol is one help that lends itself to positive test if you push the 96 hour rule for it in slow metabolising horses.

francesca · Postby **francesca** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:56 am

He thinks someone is out to get him because of the horse with the sponge in its nose earlier in the year (the filly). The horse who supposedly tested positive belonged to Jim Squires (breeder of Monarchos) who has spoken and written openly about opposing drugs in horses being raced. His horses have always tested clean so it is very odd.

Tiz · Postby **Tiz** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:44 am

Sabotage happens. Perfect, longstanding records for Mr. Jones and Mr. Squires should count for something.

Pedigree Query

SAY WHAT??!!

SAY WHAT??!!

remember the mare with the sponge