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I'm watching the 6th at gulfstream today, the number 1 free country is a horse that will have people flocking to the likes of TGM and Mr. S.
you can not design a better pedigree than his sire, big coutry. By AP Indy, out of Flanders. horse couldn't run a lick. But becuase of his pedigree, he gets a spot in kentucky, someone (out of hundreds) pays 10k for free country at a sale, and low and behold (they think) they got a derby horse!
the cycle will never end
you can not design a better pedigree than his sire, big coutry. By AP Indy, out of Flanders. horse couldn't run a lick. But becuase of his pedigree, he gets a spot in kentucky, someone (out of hundreds) pays 10k for free country at a sale, and low and behold (they think) they got a derby horse!
the cycle will never end
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By AP Indy, out of Flanders. horse couldn't run a lick. But becuase of his pedigree, he gets a spot in kentucky,
How many did he actually cover, and how many of those were farm mares. Any horse can stand in KY, if that's were it's owner wants it to be, but it doesn't meen it should be.
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bdw0617 wrote:I'm watching the 6th at gulfstream today, the number 1 free country is a horse that will have people flocking to the likes of TGM and Mr. S.
you can not design a better pedigree than his sire, big coutry. By AP Indy, out of Flanders. horse couldn't run a lick. But becuase of his pedigree, he gets a spot in kentucky, someone (out of hundreds) pays 10k for free country at a sale, and low and behold (they think) they got a derby horse!
the cycle will never end
that's exactly why TGM might have 'success'. While Free Country's sire, Big Country had such a pedigree he still 'only' sold for $125k and whatever was wrong showed up on the track. Still, hope springs eternal and a good 3yo in Jan will have people thinking he may be the source of a legit derby horse. If he wins a 3yo stakes at Gulfstream, the breeders will beat a path to his stall. He will be successful, if success is defined in financial terms.
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I don't "get" why some of you think TGM is gorgeous. He's down hill, long backed, short necked and I haven't even seen any pictures of his legs good enough to judge.
Even if they paid the mare owners, it wouldn't be worth it IMHO. OH yeah, I guess if you're talking about QH halter classes then you may be on to something. Those horses are so deformed they can't perform either
Even if they paid the mare owners, it wouldn't be worth it IMHO. OH yeah, I guess if you're talking about QH halter classes then you may be on to something. Those horses are so deformed they can't perform either
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And I must add that I think about 98 % of all TB stallions are over priced, so don't listen to me.
What we should really strive for is astute pinhooking skills, not waste our time with trying to find breeding bargains. I'll give you an example. Someone I know bought a Rock Hard Ten yearling for 1k, sold him for 15k 6mos. later, then that buyer sold him for 47k 3mos. later. Now that's solid investment.
What we should really strive for is astute pinhooking skills, not waste our time with trying to find breeding bargains. I'll give you an example. Someone I know bought a Rock Hard Ten yearling for 1k, sold him for 15k 6mos. later, then that buyer sold him for 47k 3mos. later. Now that's solid investment.
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toadie wrote:Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I don't "get" why some of you think TGM is gorgeous. He's down hill, long backed, short necked and I haven't even seen any pictures of his legs good enough to judge.
Even if they paid the mare owners, it wouldn't be worth it IMHO. OH yeah, I guess if you're talking about QH halter classes then you may be on to something. Those horses are so deformed they can't perform either
demi said he was the most balanced colt he has ever seen in his life.
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bdw0617 wrote:toadie wrote:Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I don't "get" why some of you think TGM is gorgeous. He's down hill, long backed, short necked and I haven't even seen any pictures of his legs good enough to judge.
Even if they paid the mare owners, it wouldn't be worth it IMHO. OH yeah, I guess if you're talking about QH halter classes then you may be on to something. Those horses are so deformed they can't perform either
demi said he was the most balanced colt he has ever seen in his life.
Demi said that after he'd paid 16,000,000 for him.
What am I missing here? Free Country has an opportunity to be a decent earner. His ownership can actually turn a profit on this one. He was a good looking yearling and they paid very little for him. I think that McPeek actually did "get it" when he purchased him.
On the other hand in the AQU 4th today is Underground Hero - A well bred Mineshaft (HOTY) that Zito and team paid a significant amount for. Now running with a 20k tag. Doubt he'll be turning a profit soon.
Profitable horses can come from anywhere.
On the other hand in the AQU 4th today is Underground Hero - A well bred Mineshaft (HOTY) that Zito and team paid a significant amount for. Now running with a 20k tag. Doubt he'll be turning a profit soon.
Profitable horses can come from anywhere.
LB wrote:bdw0617 wrote:
demi said he was the most balanced colt he has ever seen in his life.
Demi said that after he'd paid 16,000,000 for him.[/quote]
Of course he did! gotta say SOMETHING to justify 16m
I've been to the Keeneland Sep. sale many times and have scratched my head about some of the Coolmore purchases. I know they're buying pedigree, but if I had that kind of money I wouldn't buy anything that didn't have ped. and perfect conformation.
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I am new to the breeding game, but I think alot of their purchases are what I call "strategic purchases". In other words, let's say there is a really beautiful giant's causeway in thIe ring. Coolmore will buy the colt, run up the price, just to up GC's sale's avgs, and will make it back when they bred him to 1,4059,0592 mares next year at 125k a pop. if he can actually ru n, the more the better.
I have always had a sneaking suspecion that lion heart was one of those purchases.
If you think about it, I really, do think they liked him. They did not buy him for pedigree.. he has none. Tehy didnt' buy him to boster their stallions sales prices, as the sire stands at Taylor Made, not Ashford.
I don't even think Coolmore could justify spending 16 million for something they honestly don't like, with little room to make it back if he is not a smashing hit on the track.
Coolmore seems to hit with their purchases more than Godolphin does, it's just that you dont' see alot of them over here. Adian O'Brien won what.. 23 grade 1's last year, most if which with coolmore stock.
http://horsephotos.com/watermark.jsp?photoID=71728
ya gotta admit, he is pretty freakin good lookin. i'll give him that much credit.
Godolphin also spent 11.7 million dollars for a kingmambo yearling named
Meydan City. While he's not a world beater, he did break his maiden and was listed in a group stakes race, which he did miserably.
to show you how hard horse racing can be (or how ignorant some people can be, you decide), crown of crimson has accounted for 14 million dollars in the sales ring, and has not returned $50,000 of it yet.
I have always had a sneaking suspecion that lion heart was one of those purchases.
If you think about it, I really, do think they liked him. They did not buy him for pedigree.. he has none. Tehy didnt' buy him to boster their stallions sales prices, as the sire stands at Taylor Made, not Ashford.
I don't even think Coolmore could justify spending 16 million for something they honestly don't like, with little room to make it back if he is not a smashing hit on the track.
Coolmore seems to hit with their purchases more than Godolphin does, it's just that you dont' see alot of them over here. Adian O'Brien won what.. 23 grade 1's last year, most if which with coolmore stock.
http://horsephotos.com/watermark.jsp?photoID=71728
ya gotta admit, he is pretty freakin good lookin. i'll give him that much credit.
Godolphin also spent 11.7 million dollars for a kingmambo yearling named
Meydan City. While he's not a world beater, he did break his maiden and was listed in a group stakes race, which he did miserably.
to show you how hard horse racing can be (or how ignorant some people can be, you decide), crown of crimson has accounted for 14 million dollars in the sales ring, and has not returned $50,000 of it yet.
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there is nothing strategic about their purchases.. I'm sure there are more flops them success stories.. and if you Really think it isnt a "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" type deal when dealing with sale averages for stallions you need to wake up. It doesn't matter who owns the stallion or where he stands, who isnt going to be open to the types of games people like Coolmore play when there is that much money involved.. Oh maybe if you don't like money..
toadie wrote:LB wrote:bdw0617 wrote:
demi said he was the most balanced colt he has ever seen in his life.
Demi said that after he'd paid 16,000,000 for him.
Of course he did! gotta say SOMETHING to justify 16m I've been to the Keeneland Sep. sale many times and have scratched my head about some of the Coolmore purchases. I know they're buying pedigree, but if I had that kind of money I wouldn't buy anything that didn't have ped. and perfect conformation.[/quote]
He had three things going for him at the sale:
- beautiful balance and conformation
- 9 4/5 speed in the quarter
- by Forestry (who is loved commercially) out of an Unbridled mare
That was enough to get him a decent price. 95% of the $16 mil was the price of dueling egos. TGM did not race for a year:
'due to a series of setbacks while in training with Todd Pletcher, including a tear of the gluteal muscle.'
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/racing-news/2007/September/15/The-Green-Monkey-flattens-out-in-stretch-of-career-debut.aspx
That's the kind of injury that really messes with a horse, especially one geared up to sprint. The TGM that raced was not the one that ran 9 4/5. He might be a throw some decent turf sprinters.
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