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Postby bdw0617 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:29 pm

Aug27 wrote:As Dave noted above, this will temporarily mask poor management. MD racing hasn't been the same since Frank DeFrancis passed. (His kids ran it into the ground.) Used to be the Laurel Fty and DC Int'l were big time races ... But poor racetrack mgt is only a part of the problem.

The deterioration of the breed through drug use and perpetuation of flaws via breeding is what's taken any predictability out of the game. Why should an old-time horseplayers stay with a game that's become harder and harder to beat? You never know when the O'Neill or Pletcher or Dutrow runner will have the juice or not (or Biancone's cobra venom, or whomever's milkshakes, etc).

When the powers that be in the game get serious, and insist on self-imposed regulation - not from the gov't - and breeders set aside their greed (including their lust for foreign money) and focus on the health and long-term betterment of the animal (like Tesio did), then maybe we'll see some change. Otherwise, just continue to plan on seeing the game spiral downwards. Tony Kornheiser, on his PTI show the other night, noted that "horse racing is gone". Even mainstream media can see the light!

Still, the slot money should help level the playing field in the mid-atlantic. But, money has not raised the quality of the game at Del or Mnr or CT or PN, so far ...



CT or MNR will never be mistaken for Saratoga. MNR IMHO is one of the better managed tracks in the country. they run cheap claimers, it's what they do, they know it's what they do, and they are damn good at it. they have the best paddock people in the business, they offer competiive purses for, lack of a better word, cheap horses. You have a horse that couldn't hit the board at Aqueduct, but you can run in a a 30k allowence race EVERY night at mountineer? that's pretty good. 5k claimers run for about 12-14k in purse money. that's not bad. And they showcase the west virginia derby, 750k jackpot. What more do you want?

I'm prejudiced against Charles town becuasei hate frekaing bull rings and they have no turf.

Delaware is one of the more solid 2nd tier tracks in the country. It's one of the tracks you really have to pay attention to now for up and coming races, it's right up thtere with saratoga, gulfstream and churchill. Afleex Alex, Bellamy Road, Barbaro, Hard Spun, and now Old Fashioned all made their debut at Delaware. they run a million dollar race for 3YO fillies, and have one of the safest dirt tracks in the business.
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Postby Thoroughbred » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:34 pm

I like our little bullring because it is different. I can ship to any others I want too if I feel the need. Sure turf would be nice but as I said I can ship. There is nothing like being that close for the casual fan and with ALW races for almost 40K we get some good shippers in. Every track has a bad side to it even the big ones.

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Postby bdw0617 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:39 pm

i didn't say I didn't like it. I play it on wednesday and thursday nights, but I guess I just have a more of a famiarlity thing going wit mountineer.
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Postby Thoroughbred » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:44 pm

bdw0617 wrote:i didn't say I didn't like it. I play it on wednesday and thursday nights, but I guess I just have a more of a famiarlity thing going wit mountineer.


Makes sense and if you are talking from a gambling point of view bullring betting is totally different for sure.

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Postby jainct » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:46 am

Thoroughbred wrote:I like our little bullring because it is different. I can ship to any others I want too if I feel the need. Sure turf would be nice but as I said I can ship. There is nothing like being that close for the casual fan and with ALW races for almost 40K we get some good shippers in. Every track has a bad side to it even the big ones.


Are you an owner? Do you stable at CT and if so, who is your trainer?

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Postby Thoroughbred » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:15 am

jainct wrote:
Thoroughbred wrote:I like our little bullring because it is different. I can ship to any others I want too if I feel the need. Sure turf would be nice but as I said I can ship. There is nothing like being that close for the casual fan and with ALW races for almost 40K we get some good shippers in. Every track has a bad side to it even the big ones.


Are you an owner? Do you stable at CT and if so, who is your trainer?

jainct


Yes I am and with Ronney Brown

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Postby mightyhijames » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:54 am

remember the guy interested in purchasing and resurrecting hialeah? looks like he's resurfaced in maryland: http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bi ... _18-58/BUS

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Postby spex4me » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:32 am

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spex4me wrote:My sister lives in Inwood and says they are all a bunch of boobs in Jefferson County lmao!!!
God I hope they go like Mountaineer and go with live dealers. That computerized crap at Delaware Park is awful......um.... not that I'd know or anything hehehehe!!!! :twisted:


We voted it down because the deal for the horseman wasn't fair. Even if MD slots hadn't passed the gaming bill for Charles Town would have next summer due to a better deal.


hmmm see I learn new things all the time here! We were under the impression that no one really cared what the horsemen thought, that it was more of a bible clinger movement. Good, as I am softening to CT a bit if I find the right horse, I am glad horsemen won't get shafted (or at least not as badly) When I picked up my new filly we stopped at TRISTATE, not a horse track but rather the dogs, and I was pretty impressed with how the place seemed to be run. I envision a similiar enviornment at CT. Have not been to MTR since gaming was introduced, but I am sure they are the same also.

As far as Minor is concerned, I guess VA is going to kiss him goodbye too. I think he would do a far better job with CNL than what is currently being done, but oh well. :(
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Postby Thoroughbred » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:32 am

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Thoroughbred wrote:
spex4me wrote:My sister lives in Inwood and says they are all a bunch of boobs in Jefferson County lmao!!!
God I hope they go like Mountaineer and go with live dealers. That computerized crap at Delaware Park is awful......um.... not that I'd know or anything hehehehe!!!! :twisted:


We voted it down because the deal for the horseman wasn't fair. Even if MD slots hadn't passed the gaming bill for Charles Town would have next summer due to a better deal.


hmmm see I learn new things all the time here! We were under the impression that no one really cared what the horsemen thought, that it was more of a bible clinger movement. Good, as I am softening to CT a bit if I find the right horse, I am glad horsemen won't get shafted (or at least not as badly) When I picked up my new filly we stopped at TRISTATE, not a horse track but rather the dogs, and I was pretty impressed with how the place seemed to be run. I envision a similiar enviornment at CT. Have not been to MTR since gaming was introduced, but I am sure they are the same also.

As far as Minor is concerned, I guess VA is going to kiss him goodbye too. I think he would do a far better job with CNL than what is currently being done, but oh well. :(


Been a couple years since I have been to Tri-State. Wife's family lives in So IL so when the children were little we would stop for the night in Lexington on the way out and go to the Ky Horse Park, Claiborne etc and then on the way back stay in Cross Lanes and go to the dog track. It isn't a big facility in anyway shape or form and we had good experiences there but it isn't Charles Town. CT has grown so much and when we get table games it will be even more popular. Am I biased? Yes because I live near CT and race there. Only issue we are having now is the way the Racing Secretary is writing the book but I will ship to Penn to fill the large holes. If you have any questions about Charles Town either post here or private mail me.

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Postby Barbaro06 » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:09 pm

Looks like Magna and the MJC shot themselves in the foot....

http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2009/02_04-29/TOP

After all the fuss over slots, this?

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Postby Hold Your Peace » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:38 pm

With Maryland's 67% tax rate on any future slot machines they're not worth having (or playing) anyway.

It sounds like Magna did finally come up with an alternate plan which I agree with.

The way Maryland ran this thing they wanted Magna to put up something like $30 million with no guarantee that the funds would be returned should they be awarded a license but not be able to actually install the machines due to zoning issues with Anne Arundel County. I wouldn't give them up front money under those conditions either.

Instead Magna has deposited $30 million (approx.) in an escrow account which seems a much more reasonable way to approach this.

Did Halsey Minor ever bid for a license as he claimed he would? Doesn't sound like it.

Like I say with a 67% tax rate slots aren't going to generate any money anyway. Just ask Gulfstream that struggles under an oppressive 50% tax rate on their machines.

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Postby Laurierace » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:10 pm

Unless they change their plan to not allow any beverages of any kind brought in to the infield this year, this Preakness will be the last. They take the ONE day of the year that they make any money and ruin it. I don't even drink beer and can see that this is a bad move. I bet attendance drops 50% or more this year and close to 100% the year after if they even hold it at all. IDIOTS!

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Postby Thoroughbred » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:17 pm

Laurierace wrote:Unless they change their plan to not allow any beverages of any kind brought in to the infield this year, this Preakness will be the last. They take the ONE day of the year that they make any money and ruin it. I don't even drink beer and can see that this is a bad move. I bet attendance drops 50% or more this year and close to 100% the year after if they even hold it at all. IDIOTS!


Well it is MD and they are pros at shooting themselves in the foot.

So where does the Preakness go? Probably Laurel but I would much rather see it go to Colonial Downs or Delaware Park.

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Postby Barbaro06 » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:27 pm

Laurel would have to make some major upgrades (what else is new?) to its facilities if it would hold the Preakness.

Penn National Gaming isn't enthused either about slots in Maryland. After all the stink and fuss, it's basically a flop. Plenty of "I told you so's" going around right now.

One co-worker of mine even goes as far as saying they should just pave over Maryland and use it as a parking lot for DC.
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Postby Thoroughbred » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:40 pm

Barbaro06 wrote:Laurel would have to make some major upgrades (what else is new?) to its facilities if it would hold the Preakness.

Penn National Gaming isn't enthused either about slots in Maryland. After all the stink and fuss, it's basically a flop. Plenty of "I told you so's" going around right now.

One co-worker of mine even goes as far as saying they should just pave over Maryland and use it as a parking lot for DC.


PNGI is smart and took the minimal approach to their bid. As for paving MD over that works for me.