She out did herself with this foal... Erotic Twist x Sato

[color]

I agree totally. I hate the word DOMINANT white as it implies a total white horse which most of the time it is not. Maybe there is NO Sabino, no Splash and all are just a variation of DW....

[RiddleMeThis]

That's why I like Harlequin as the name for this gene complex. No expectations on color, other than multi color.

And then what happens when they show up expecting a horse that looks harlequin and is actually solid white? Or when that "Harlequin" produces solid white?

If the only thing attracting a buyer to your horses (general your) is color, then I would expect them to know a little more about it. Not to mention most people won't even look at an ad without pictures.

I still maintain that it is the SO/breeders/MO job to educate the public. There is no reason to spread misinformation to the public, and further mislead them into thinking this color pattern is something its not.

As for their being no Splash and no sabino, well seeing as how they have already found a Sabino, and Splash acts differently that is QUITE improbable.

And if calling a horse DW implies a total white horse, than I would hope that you don't advertise any of your black based horses as homozygous black because that implies that your horse is black.

[xfactor fan]

Well then the white horse would be the rare White Harlequin. The point being that Harlequin (or any other name folks can come up with) doesn't have the word Dominant in it, and the expectations are different.

Part of what I see happening in the entire horse world is a switch from phenotype based color names to a combination of phenotype and genotype. Very confusing for most folks when they see a brown horse that is being advertised as a palomino, even tho the horse does carry cream, it is clearly brown.

Same thing going on with racing passports. And I do understand the frustration of the color breeders who want their horses registered with the correct genetic color designations. However the guy at the gate checking the horse into the track may have issues with a horse listed as Bay, when the horse in front of him is pure white.

Don't think they will adopt it, but a phenotype/genotype system might be worth looking into.

Phenotype: Bay
Genetic: Smokey Black. Ee aa Crcr.

And so on.

[Jorge]

Very confusing for most folks when they see a brown horse that is being advertised as a palomino, even tho the horse does carry cream, it is clearly brown.

However the guy at the gate checking the horse into the track may have issues with a horse listed as Bay, when the horse in front of him is pure white.

Don't think they will adopt it,

Most probably we have no other choice than to acknowledge this reality!!

[angrovestud]

if you microchip horses in the US then this information could be one day placed on the chip the Phenotype and the Genotype when the JC and Weatherbys finally catch up with DNA.

[springboro]

ah, the voice of reason! I agree 100%!

Well then the white horse would be the rare White Harlequin. The point being that Harlequin (or any other name folks can come up with) doesn't have the word Dominant in it, and the expectations are different.

Part of what I see happening in the entire horse world is a switch from phenotype based color names to a combination of phenotype and genotype. Very confusing for most folks when they see a brown horse that is being advertised as a palomino, even tho the horse does carry cream, it is clearly brown.

Same thing going on with racing passports. And I do understand the frustration of the color breeders who want their horses registered with the correct genetic color designations. However the guy at the gate checking the horse into the track may have issues with a horse listed as Bay, when the horse in front of him is pure white.

Don't think they will adopt it, but a phenotype/genotype system might be worth looking into.

Phenotype: Bay
Genetic: Smokey Black. Ee aa Crcr.

And so on.

[Linda_d]

Well then the white horse would be the rare White Harlequin. The point being that Harlequin (or any other name folks can come up with) doesn't have the word Dominant in it, and the expectations are different.

Part of what I see happening in the entire horse world is a switch from phenotype based color names to a combination of phenotype and genotype. Very confusing for most folks when they see a brown horse that is being advertised as a palomino, even tho the horse does carry cream, it is clearly brown.

Same thing going on with racing passports. And I do understand the frustration of the color breeders who want their horses registered with the correct genetic color designations. However the guy at the gate checking the horse into the track may have issues with a horse listed as Bay, when the horse in front of him is pure white.

Don't think they will adopt it, but a phenotype/genotype system might be worth looking into.

Phenotype: Bay
Genetic: Smokey Black. Ee aa Crcr.

And so on.

I agree. "Dominant white" implies that the white is going to be the main color with maybe some minor colored markings like a medicine hat, just as "bay" implies a predominantly reddish horse with black legs and tail and white markings.

[Jorge]

For "PHENOTYPES" I would suggest just words (pre-accorded ones), like say,

"Bay", "Marked-Bay", "Chestnut", "Marked-Chestnut", "White",
"Stained-White", etc.



For "GENOTYPES" I would suggest just letters, like "Ee" "aa" "Crcr", etc.


I would suggest always using "Phenotypes" for racing programs and reserve a more extended format with "Phenotype-Genotype" for breeding and international purposes.

[Jorge]

Very rare bottom half on this pedigree

MOCHA TWIST http://www.pedigreequery.com/mocha+twist

Any comment on how her dam ended up in this shore?

[summerhorse]

So any new pictures? Base color looks chestnut from those pic. Beautiful pattern and that mare is a beauty too!!

[Bellissima]

I agree, I LOVE that mare!

Wonder what BC decided to name him?

[BlazingColours]

Thanks so much Summerhorse and Bellissima!


As requested... new pictures of Erotic Twist's 2010 bay and white colt!! And no there has not been a name chosen yet. I am undecided on a few. For now I am calling him Caleb.

Oh how fast the grow up. He is now weaned and a BIG boy all on his own.

[HeadlessHorseman]

OH MY....he is a big o boy.....

I'm looking THROUGH him and spy a buckskin and paly....WHO might they be?????

HH

[BlazingColours]

Behind him is a buskskin colt by Mirabeau. He has been sold and will head to his new home this week in Ohio.

There is also a palomino filly by El Dorado out of Adorable and a bay colt by Tiznow. Then if you really SPY; you will see a cremello and white colt by Cloud Ten out of White Gold.

Good eye

[Jorge]

Thanks so much Summerhorse and Bellissima!


As requested... new pictures of Erotic Twist's 2010 bay and white colt!! And no there has not been a name chosen yet. I am undecided on a few. For now I am calling him Caleb.

Oh how fast the grow up. He is now weaned and a BIG boy all on his own.

I don't know if I am missing a more revealing photo angle that may earn
him being described as a "bay+white", but for me he must be labeled as a "Marked Chestnut" (rather than a "Marked Bay" like say, Puchilingui). This case makes me remember Airdrie Apache.
To me, due to that predominantly solid colored mane, he looks more solid colored than "Stained White".

As for suggesting a name, here is mine:

"BETWEEN TWO COLORS"