It starts: First Storm Cat 3x3 I have seen

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It starts: First Storm Cat 3x3 I have seen

Postby Toccet02 » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:28 pm

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Re: It starts: First Storm Cat 3x3 I have seen

Postby Bast » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:22 pm

May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
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Postby Toccet02 » Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:03 am

Not me, dude--not me!!! :lol:
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Postby Turn-To Fan » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:03 am

At least he has no other inbreeding in five generations. Storm Cat will get all the blame (or credit) for this one.

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Postby reneemg » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:18 pm

http://www.pedigreequery.com/strongdollarpolicy

Just picked up this mare for a friend of mine. Real nice mare but told my friend I didn't know the pedigree as she never would have sat on the mare otherwise. One Storm Cat grandson came through my barn a few years ago and she jumped on the "anti Cat" wagon. Now that she's ridden her she loves the mare. :)

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Postby brogers » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:52 am

You have seen the pedigree of G3 winner Bridgetown haven't you?

http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedig ... ndicator=Y
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Postby Toccet02 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:42 am

nope. As I said, it's the first I've seen.
Scary. INHO.
Watch for a possible increase in heart related problems if SC inbreeding takes off. That's from my own personal research/observations of storm cat sons and heart issues.
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Postby docjocoy » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:56 am

Toccet02 wrote:nope. As I said, it's the first I've seen.
Scary. INHO.
Watch for a possible increase in heart related problems if SC inbreeding takes off. That's from my own personal research/observations of storm cat sons and heart issues.


What kind of heart issues?

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Postby Toccet02 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:50 am

heart attacks; from covering mares, racing, working out.

Tabasco Cat
High Yield , and son High Again
Hennessy
an unnamed 2005 SC colt who died after breeze show workout from heart attack
Sailor's Warning,
Cat's at Home---

All died of heart attacks or heart disease.
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Postby brogers » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:46 am

Interesting observation.

Myocardial infarction in thoroughbreds hasn't been an area of deep research. There was a paper done on some baselines back in 2003 (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... x/abstract) but I am unaware of much since then.
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Postby hah480 » Sun May 01, 2011 2:40 pm

never forget watching early workouts and seeing a heart attack at the finish line. Sobering sight, the track response crew was amazing though the alarm went off and they were there in less than 2 minutes

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Postby xfactor fan » Sun May 01, 2011 3:22 pm

There's a mention in one of the Jane Smiley books--think it is in "A year at the races" that her vet told her that there is a connection between horses with large hearts and heart attacks. Makes you go hummm.

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Postby vineyridge » Thu May 05, 2011 10:47 am

x factor, in those cases a large heart is probably a diseased heart.
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Postby Roar » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:16 am

Another Strom cat inbreeding that I need to breed, and no other inbreeding in five generations

Please be advised

http://www.pedigreequery.com/tko

Thanks.......... Roar

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Postby Bast » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:06 pm

Roar wrote:Another Strom cat inbreeding that I need to breed, and no other inbreeding in five generations

Please be advised

http://www.pedigreequery.com/tko

Thanks.......... Roar


I ran into some problems with this horse when checking the records of the parents. Jeedjard, the dam, is not in the Equibase system.

That said, someone bred an unraced son of Storm Cat to a daughter of a mediocre son of Storm Cat (sent to Thailand). I have to wonder what they expect.
May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!

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Perseveres with his heart

And wins with his character. --Tesio