Do better mares improve a mediocre stallion?

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:20 pm

Next year, we will finally see if Our Emblem actually does well with a crop of better bred foals. My question is this, is there an instance where a mediocre stallion (not bred to excellent mares) dramatically improves after being bred to a book of outstanding stock (after having one or two really good offspring)?

Thunder Gulch didn't really improve very much after Point Given's success and the chance to breed to really good mares.

My mind has drawn a blank, but does anyone have an example of a stallion dramatically improving after being bred to good mares?

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:22 pm

Service Stripe?

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:31 pm

Service Stripe's best runners are from Michigan bred mares, and not the best bred ones at that.

Sysonby · Postby **Sysonby** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:06 pm

Intrinsic Worth wrote:

My mind has drawn a blank, but does anyone have an example of a stallion dramatically improving after being bred to good mares?

Compare Mr Prospector's Florida stock between 1976 and 1979 with his Kentucky foals after 1980.

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:27 pm

Sysonby wrote:
Intrinsic Worth wrote:

My mind has drawn a blank, but does anyone have an example of a stallion dramatically improving after being bred to good mares?

Compare Mr Prospector's Florida stock between 1976 and 1979 with his Kentucky foals after 1980.

Ditto that for Kris S.' move in the 90s.

What makes Our Emblem unique is that he started in KY with decent mares, was shipped out before that first crop developed, then was brought back when War Emblem won the Derby. Ergo, this isn't a case of 'mediocure crop producing a big horse', this is a decent book of mares followed with a mediocure book of mares then an additional book of mares.

The real question is, is THIS crop going to be as productive as War Emblem's?

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:04 pm

Years ago the stallion Fleet Nasrullah was standing in Calif. and was the leading sire by a country mile. Fleet Nasrullah was bred to medicore mares.

Fleet Nasrullah was sold to Ky. and was bred to quality mares and the result was FN did not breed on to greater heights when he was sold to Ky.

Some stallions will move up their offspring in class when bred to better class of mare and some will not.

You must find the sire lines that produce those superior runners and breed to those successful breeding patterns.

pembroke · Postby **pembroke** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:10 am

MattyG?

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:29 am

Wasn't Phone Trick a horse that didn't get better mares until he had produced the likes of Favorite Trick, Mazel Trick, etc.?

erins isle · Postby **erins isle** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:19 am

I remember that the stallion Ahonoora, who in his first years stood at hte Irish National Stud got great results, after this he was sold to Coolmore, and he got good mares but never reached the standard of his first years.
Respectfully, Erin

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:26 am

hi Sysonby

Mr Prospector was a GREAT sire in Florida...a GREAT sire in Kentucky...and arguably would have been a GREAT sire anywhere.

For what it's worth...despite a $500,000 per share offer from Peter Brandt (fronting for Phipps and Claiborne)...the syndicate vote (re: moving Mr Prospector) barely passed by the slimmmmest of margins.

Respectfully

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