Back at the knee......9 months later.

wilf · Postby **wilf** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:18 pm

In late March this year the board had a thread started by Cree concerning an expensive Holy Bull 2yo in training and whether or not the photo supplied showed a horse that was back at the knee. It became a topic of many replies and it veered way off its original simple inquiry into a new universe with input from the likes of KAL, FOS, Jellac, BJ, Henthorn, Stay Out Front, Roving Boy and Michael.Lately I checked up and the horse named Flashy Bull has acquitted himself very nicely winning at Belmont and running 2nd in the Remsen Stakes in New York. Not too shabby and certainly worth following as a new 3yr old.He is in good hands with Keiran Mclaughlan who has obviously managed him well since he was honed rather tightly for the Florida 2yr old sales. Go Flashy.

Shammy Davis · Postby **Shammy Davis** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:04 pm

Wilf: I had to reply to this post, because I counted 103 looks and no replies. No one should be ignored, not even you when you shoot the "Bull." My opinion is that in the hands of a good trainer and thoughtful training program even "back at the knee" can be overcome. Besides, I like Holy Bull. Maybe if you didn't make those "studdish comments" to the ladies on the board, you'd get more replies. :wink:

That being said, I'll keep my eye out for this fellow. :lol:

TBG · Postby **TBG** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:23 pm

Who are some very good racehorses that were back at the knee?

Mahubah · Postby **Mahubah** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:50 pm

John Henry, for one. He was helped both by having an exceptionally fluid stride and by spending most of his career on turf, generally a more forgiving surface than dirt.

wilf · Postby **wilf** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:34 am

Why thank you Shammy....I think. Good job hes not called Flasher! The original post concerned a pic from West Point Thoroughbreds who were syndicating him after the sales for $38 gs per 10% share which included the first years expenses I believe.If he were to win a graded stake then it might seem good value. Although I am not a great fan of the Remsen stakes as a portent of things to come I still see him as a horse to follow on the Derby trail especially as he first showed up on this board. At any rate the syndicate has already had a few thrills for their investment.

Shammy Davis · Postby **Shammy Davis** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:10 pm

You are very welcome. Return on investment is the key. Wish it would work for me. :wink:

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:38 pm

Having research Holy Bulls pedigree, i found a surplus of non-(Phalaris) ancestors. This translates into soundness and stamina galore plus the older they get the better they get.

I hope Holy Bulls sons carry on his (Questionnaire) sire line so us breeders will have an outcross to mate to those (Phalaris) sire line stallions and mares.

Cree · Postby **Cree** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:57 am

I have been off line for awhile, but I am back. Interestingly, when I saw Flashy Bull's name and pedigree in the results for the Remsen, I thought "it couldn't be". Sure enough, it is.
One question though...is he or isn't he, back at the knee? LOL.

wilf · Postby **wilf** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:11 pm

Well Cree if he is then he is a sweet mover to over come it. Now we can follow his progress on the derby trail with a little more than passing interest.

Pete · Postby **Pete** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:08 am

Hi Louis,

Holy Bull has as much Phalaris, mostly through his son Pharos, as Mr. Prospector and many other stallions.

Discovery got as much soundness as Questionnaire but his grand sons, Bold Ruler and Native Dancer sometimes have their sire lines questioned for unsoundness.

Questionnaires' best juvenile son, Free For All, raced only 7 times (winning 6). His short career perhaps traceable to his dams grandsire, Spearmint, often considered as source of unsoundness?

Any thoughts?

Regards,

Pete