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Crozier

Postby aurora » Wed May 03, 2006 9:01 am

Anyone ever seen this stallion or know of a picture of him? I'm curious as to what he looked like as one of my mares has him as broodmare sire.

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Postby reese » Thu May 04, 2006 5:06 pm

Looking over the pedigree's of this year's Derby horses, I happened to notice that Baffert's KD speed burner, Sinister Minister, has Crozier as the BMS of Old Trieste's second dam Linda Summers. Got some speed on the family tree.

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Postby henthorn » Thu May 04, 2006 6:29 pm

Reece, I was impressed by his running style/stamina. Sinister Minister is one quick dude!

My Babu's picture looks a little like my mare Spanish Guitar when she was a 2yo and 3yo. Very lean and racy with a big hip. She has My Babu through Raja Baba on her dam's side, at the fifth remove.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/ ... racing.jpg
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Postby reese » Thu May 04, 2006 8:10 pm

henthorn wrote:Reece, I was impressed by his running style/stamina. Sinister Minister is one quick dude!

My Babu's picture looks a little like my mare Spanish Guitar when she was a 2yo and 3yo. Very lean and racy with a big hip. She has My Babu through Raja Baba on her dam's side, at the fifth remove.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/ ... racing.jpg


Nice looking mare. She does look like a relative of My Babu in that pic.
What is your mare doing now...retired?...I hope if you are breeding her you get a nice foal since your mare had a good career racing and a has pedigree for getting racers.

It ,must be so exciting to see your horse coming down the stretch...and nerve wracking too.

Good luck.

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Postby henthorn » Fri May 05, 2006 4:22 am

Sorry, Reese, for misspelling your name. If you use the SEARCH icon at the top of the page, there are lots of references to Spanish Guitar on the forum. She's a professional at everything--racing, parenting, and just plain NICE. I'm very proud of her. 8) She's currently at Pucker Ridge Farm, Warrensburg, N.Y., awaiting a visit to Prime Timber.
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Postby louis finochio » Fri May 05, 2006 6:51 am

The late Fred W. Hooper was the luckiest owner-breeder I have ever known. Crozier was one of his gems in racing and breeding.
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Postby reese » Fri May 05, 2006 3:46 pm

louis finochio wrote:The late Fred W. Hooper was the luckiest owner-breeder I have ever known. Crozier was one of his gems in racing and breeding.


I learn a little more pedigree info everytime I read posts here.
Crozier was a nice race horse when I look at his race record, and his family has nice runners..Old Trieste died too young. Seems that St Ballado's family has bad luck..die young.

Thanks for the comments on Fred Hooper. I'll google him later!

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Postby sparta » Sun May 14, 2006 7:21 pm

Hooper never had a horse with a fashionable pedigree in his entire life, and yet I think he probably bred over 100 stakes winners. He always did things his way, and was very successful at it.

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Postby Mahubah » Mon May 15, 2006 4:45 am

sparta wrote:Hooper never had a horse with a fashionable pedigree in his entire life, and yet I think he probably bred over 100 stakes winners. He always did things his way, and was very successful at it.


Well, I would make one exception to that, but it wasn't a homebred. It was his first real racehorse, 1945 Derby winner Hoop Jr., whom he bought at auction. This colt was by *Sir Gallahad III out of the stakes-winning mare One Hour, by *Snob III, and was a full or half brother to three earlier stakes winners when he came up for sale as a yearling. One Hour was a full or half sister to two other stakes winners herself, so I'd say the breeding was fashionable enough.
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Postby louis finochio » Mon May 15, 2006 6:46 am

I have seen many TB owners spend huge sums of $ when they purchase quality bloodstock and their investments go under.

To be successful in the TB industry one has to have the bloodstock that will breed on generation after generation.

Some TB breeders hit it lucky right away like Fred Hooper, and others will spend a lifetime and never hit the winners circle.

Why does this happen? I wish I knew, but thats just the way it plays out.
To have a successful breeding operation, one must have a plan to breed those superior runners and buy those individual's that will get you to the top.
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Postby henthorn » Tue May 16, 2006 8:46 pm

As I understand it, Mr. Hooper went into it in a big way from the start, with quality, expensive animals; and he had a good business sense.
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Postby karla'sjourney » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:05 pm

I have a grandaughter of his, she's by journey at sea. Her name is Karla's Journey. Her sire made a little over 500,000. he was not really successful at stud.

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Postby CA Michael » Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:18 pm

Crozier was syndicated by John Gaines in the mid 60's, at the same time Gaines syndicated Olden Times-Prove It-Candy Spots with Rex Ellsworth. Prove It and Candy Spots greatly disappointed at stud, but Crozier and Olden Times were cracker jack sires.

Crozier was a mid sized horse, like most *My Babu horses, well balanced and attractive. I am not sure if he inherited his sire's nasty temperament (so common among Boussac horses).

One of Hooper's favorite breeding methods was to inbreed to his great sprinter OLYMPIA. A number of Crozier's best offspring were bred on this pattern. Crozier himself was an all purpose racehorse, near the top of his division from 2 to 5, much like his son PRECISIONIST, also bred and owned by Hooper. Both were front running sprinters who could negotiate longer distances under the right conditions. As I recall, Crozier won the 10 furlong Santa Anita Handicap just a few months after taking the 6 furlong Palos Verdes H. Precisionist won the Breeders Cup Spint just a few months after taking the Charles H. Strub S. What a pity that Precisionist sired only three or four foals. At last I heard, he's a pensioner at Old Friends in KY.

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Postby madelyn » Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:35 am

Good background... I have always liked to see Crozier in a mare's pedigree without really knowing why. I love where it is in my mare, Ground Queen. I have another mare with Crozier, Glenfiddich Fire.
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