HORATIO NELSON
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HORATIO NELSON
TVG reported this morning that HORATIO NELSON broke down during the English Derby. Didn't see the race, but understand that jockey Fallon didn't appear too comfortable with the horse prior to the race. I did see some pre-race clips and it looked like HN was acting out somewhat like BARBARO. Gary Steven during an on air interview from Epsom said he noticed that Fallon seemed unsettled by the horse prior to the race and talked with a number of officials prior to the start. So sad.
I watched the race and Kieran was definitely not happy with HN. He kept jogging him up and down behind the gate for ages while all others were circling. To me he didn't appear to be lame, but something was up. Aidan was at the gate but so were vets. Not sure who's going to take the blame but something was definitely up.
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From the Racing Post:
Horatio Nelson put down after suffering serious injury
by Tony Elves & David Ashforth (June 3)
HORATIO NELSON was put down after suffering a serious injury in Saturday’s Vodafone Derby but Dr Peter Webbon, chief executive of the Horseracing Regulatory Authority, was happy that Kieren Fallon's mount, sent off the second favourite, was fit to race.
Both the Racing Post and BBC received calls and e-mails asking why hehad taken part after the colt had been examined before the start of the race when Fallon appeared to have some concerns about his mount.
Horatio Nelson took his place in the 18-runner line up but stumbled and had to be pulled up by Fallon near the twofurlong marker.
Vets and the horse ambulance were soon on the scene but it had transpired that the colt had sustained a broken near fore leg.
Webbon, previously the Jockey Club's veterinary director, said: "Horatio Nelson has been put down. The response when he was injured was extremely quick. He was taken in an ambulance to the treatment centre where several X-rays were taken. They revealed major injuries to his right foreleg. He had fractured a cannon bone, a sesamoid bone, and dislocated a fetlock joint. There were open wounds and damage to the blood vessels, nerves and ligaments around the joint which were already potentially infected. Five veterinary surgeons were there and they were of the unanimous opinion that the situation was hopeless andit was in the horse's best interests to put him down."
The vets included Webbon, James Halley of Coolmore, and three racecourse vets, one of whom, Jenny Hall, was in attendance before the race, when Horatio Nelson was trotted up and down after jockeyKieren Fallon expressed some concern about his mount.
Webbon explained: "Hall discussed the situation with Aidan O'Brien, the trainer, and both were satisfied that the horse was fit to compete. Hall is an extremely experienced vet and O'Brien is an extremely experienced trainer and they would not have allowed the horse to run if they thought its life was being put at risk."
Horatio Nelson's part-owner John Magnier praised the help given by the racecourse in the horse's treatment while a dejected Fallon left the course after giving up his mount on Indian Trail in the last.
Fallon said: “He was a bit stiff but he was fine when he trotted off. I don’t know at what stage it happened I just heard his leg snap and it’s very upsetting.”
The HRA doesnot intend to hold another inquiry specific to this incident but spokesman Paul Struthers said: "Whenever there is a major meeting, regardless of whether an incident like this occurs, we always hold a review concerning the whole meeting, and while this incident will be discussed, we will not be having a specific inquiry into just the incident.
"However, it must be borne in mind that all racecourse injuries are continually monitored."
This is so sad, may he R.I.P.
Horatio Nelson put down after suffering serious injury
by Tony Elves & David Ashforth (June 3)
HORATIO NELSON was put down after suffering a serious injury in Saturday’s Vodafone Derby but Dr Peter Webbon, chief executive of the Horseracing Regulatory Authority, was happy that Kieren Fallon's mount, sent off the second favourite, was fit to race.
Both the Racing Post and BBC received calls and e-mails asking why hehad taken part after the colt had been examined before the start of the race when Fallon appeared to have some concerns about his mount.
Horatio Nelson took his place in the 18-runner line up but stumbled and had to be pulled up by Fallon near the twofurlong marker.
Vets and the horse ambulance were soon on the scene but it had transpired that the colt had sustained a broken near fore leg.
Webbon, previously the Jockey Club's veterinary director, said: "Horatio Nelson has been put down. The response when he was injured was extremely quick. He was taken in an ambulance to the treatment centre where several X-rays were taken. They revealed major injuries to his right foreleg. He had fractured a cannon bone, a sesamoid bone, and dislocated a fetlock joint. There were open wounds and damage to the blood vessels, nerves and ligaments around the joint which were already potentially infected. Five veterinary surgeons were there and they were of the unanimous opinion that the situation was hopeless andit was in the horse's best interests to put him down."
The vets included Webbon, James Halley of Coolmore, and three racecourse vets, one of whom, Jenny Hall, was in attendance before the race, when Horatio Nelson was trotted up and down after jockeyKieren Fallon expressed some concern about his mount.
Webbon explained: "Hall discussed the situation with Aidan O'Brien, the trainer, and both were satisfied that the horse was fit to compete. Hall is an extremely experienced vet and O'Brien is an extremely experienced trainer and they would not have allowed the horse to run if they thought its life was being put at risk."
Horatio Nelson's part-owner John Magnier praised the help given by the racecourse in the horse's treatment while a dejected Fallon left the course after giving up his mount on Indian Trail in the last.
Fallon said: “He was a bit stiff but he was fine when he trotted off. I don’t know at what stage it happened I just heard his leg snap and it’s very upsetting.”
The HRA doesnot intend to hold another inquiry specific to this incident but spokesman Paul Struthers said: "Whenever there is a major meeting, regardless of whether an incident like this occurs, we always hold a review concerning the whole meeting, and while this incident will be discussed, we will not be having a specific inquiry into just the incident.
"However, it must be borne in mind that all racecourse injuries are continually monitored."
This is so sad, may he R.I.P.
If they'd just listened to the blasted jockey, Horatio Nelson'd be alive today. I think it was Andy Beyer who said he doesn't believe a word coming out of a jockey's mouth and sure they're big on PR--they gotta keep their jobs--but when one tells you something's wrong, I'd imagine most aren't blowing smoke up your rear end.
O'Brien must've thought the horse was really okay right? I mean I thought it was atypical that he would be risky like that.
"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana"
Poor horse...He did not look good warming up...Gary Stevens bought up a good point about how far they have to go to the starting gate and most times you are trying to calm your horse down. In this case, they kept jogging him. TVG showed the jockey stopping by the vet and the trainer and saying something to them about his horse. The trainer actually looked down at the horses leg.
From my understanding its tough to get a horse scratched from a race over there. They dont refund the money bet in the pools. He was the favorite and that may have played in the decision to run him.
Anyway, the way he broke down in the strecth was terrible.
From my understanding its tough to get a horse scratched from a race over there. They dont refund the money bet in the pools. He was the favorite and that may have played in the decision to run him.
Anyway, the way he broke down in the strecth was terrible.
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I am not a fan of 10 crosses of Phalaris, and I wouldnt buy a TB with spindle legs. Click on the photo of HN and you will see those spindle legs with no width of bone that HN inherited from his ancestors.
Barbaro had a balanced of 8 crosses of Ph, and 8 crosses of NP, and Barbaro took one bad step and his career was over.
Rest in Peace HN as you gave your best, Thanks.
Barbaro had a balanced of 8 crosses of Ph, and 8 crosses of NP, and Barbaro took one bad step and his career was over.
Rest in Peace HN as you gave your best, Thanks.
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There is something else interesting about HN. He is DANZIG over a SADLER'S WELLS mare. I've done quite a bit of study over years as I'm a believer that in-breeding, used carefully, is supportive of the quality and character of a particular breed. Obviously, this is a terrible tragedy, but I would venture to say that over 60% of the actively bred bloodstock across Europe is ND over ND. Further, I don't believe that ND over ND in Europe has shown any propensity for unsoundness. The fact is that anyone interested in breeding in Europe is hard pressed to find a pedigree void of ND over ND to 5 generations. It is absolutely amazing. Louis will tell you that 10 crosses to Phalaris is trifling with disaster, but the fact is that statistically there is no proof. I'm sympathetic to his thoughts. He is sincere, but no equine genetic text I've studied conveys a similar attitude toward one single stallion line. One reason this is true for the thoroughbred is the nature of the industry across the world. 80% of every foal crop remains unchallenged because they don't make it to the starting gate. 80% is a big void in the data. Interestingly, if you believe that in-breeding is harmful, and you are not alone, you would think that collectively breeding farms internationally would have begun outcrossing many many years ago. Yet, to everyone's disdain or surprise, no one did. Not in NA. Not in Europe. Not in SAF. Not in SA. Not in Japan. The tragedy of BARBARO and HORATIO NELSON has a recurring theme, like RUFFIAN. I'm sure that like Prado, Fallon did everything he could to pull up HN. I'm sure the English Vets did their very best. O'Brien made his best judgement call. Unfortunately for everyone, there is always going to be a bad step when we least expect it.
I personally believe that waiting until the 4th year is a better program for the industry. At least, it gives physical maturity a chance to weigh in, but I'm consistently proven wrong everyday when hundreds of races go off around the world for 2 & 3 year olds and these horses complete their courses unscathed.
I personally believe that waiting until the 4th year is a better program for the industry. At least, it gives physical maturity a chance to weigh in, but I'm consistently proven wrong everyday when hundreds of races go off around the world for 2 & 3 year olds and these horses complete their courses unscathed.
