menifee or harlan's holiday?

johnrr88 · Postby **johnrr88** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:42 am

Hi folks:
I have a nice young mare , currently taking a year off, that I am looking to breed in February. She has a Langfuhr 2 y/o filly in training who might be something special and i am hoping she will "make the mare" by late Spring.

I am considering breeding to either of these sons of Harlan and there are good things to say about both. Menifee seems to be a real "sleeper" , probably becuase he doesnt get the press....but he makes racehorses, or so it seems. Harlan's Holiday looks like he has a real shot at sticking around. babies are selling very well and he pushes Phalaris further away in the gene pool. he would also give me a nice cross to Raise a Native without duplicating Mr P.

There are many ways to go with this mare, These are two I'm considering. Would appreciate your comments ...Mare is Never Out, exTake Me Out, 1999. G2 placed.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:37 am

Rocking Trick! :wink:

geowarrior · Postby **geowarrior** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:35 pm

After what Jagger told me about Rocking Trick, would be happy to Madelyn, just that pesky lack of money thing preventing me. Bring on the lottery!

henthorn · Postby **henthorn** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:08 pm

You might also consider two sons of Storm Cat with interesting linebreeding on your mare. Bernstein brings in 5x5 Raise a Native, and Vision and Verse brings in Bebopper 5x6. Menifee is fairly crooked, and you would need to watch that with your mare. I like his pedigree match better than Harlan's Holiday, and Menifee is coming down in price, while HH is going up. A lot depends on whether your goal is sales or breed-to-race. Another with Halo inbreeding is More Than Ready.

geowarrior · Postby **geowarrior** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:15 pm

Henthorn

With insatiable interest I have to ask what advantages does 5x5 Raise a Native bring and I've never even heard of Beboper, what does linebreeding to him bring?

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:08 pm

hi henthorn...hi johnrr88...hello all

henthorn wrote:Menifee is fairly crooked, and you would need to watch that with your mare.

An understatement maybe?

Menifee (from my perspective) offers a front end that might appeal to a breeder with a HUGE appetite for rolling the dice. All things considered, can one honestly justify or even rationalize that the odds for a successful result are worth what might be described as a super-sized risk?

Respectfully

Melhor_Ainda · Postby **Melhor_Ainda** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:21 pm

Bebopper's the dam of Stop The Music and Hatchet Man.

ragsdaj1 · Postby **ragsdaj1** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:05 pm

henthorn wrote: Menifee is fairly crooked, and you would need to watch that with your mare.

I have wondered why in his conformation shot he is standing the way he is. The old "now you don't trick."

JonR

Timber · Postby **Timber** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:34 am

Consider Grand Reward.

henthorn · Postby **henthorn** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:13 am

Bebopper is actually 4 x 5 in the hypo-mating with Vision and Verse. She is an outstanding broodmare ancestor, found in a lot of fine racehorses' and stallions' pedigrees. And her dam Bebop is ancestress of Buckaroo.
You can use the database pedigree page to right-click on a name and get what progeny have been entered for that horse.

Raise a Native is one of the premier sires in North American pedigrees, known for adding a lot of speed and quality to the breed, especially through Mr. Prospector and his sons, Exclusive Native, Majestic Prince, and Alydar. 5 x 5 is not considered by most people to be too close to be compounding possible unsoundness, which is sometimes found in sons of Raise a Native.

I second Grand Reward; an excellent pedigree and physical specimen, and nice 5 x 5 Halo inbreeding.

CS · Postby CS » Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:31 pm

If you are willing to go to an A.P. Indy - Suave is a beautiful mating on paper....

johnrr88 · Postby **johnrr88** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:32 pm

Thanks one and all for replies. I didnt know Menifee was so crooked up front.
I was also considering the obvious. ie: Pleasantly Paerfect or Pleasant Tap for her but she is a big mare and I need a medium sized stallion. I fear that Pleasnat Tap is too large and coarse for her and i'm not ready to pay the big price for the unproven Pleasantly Perfect despite his beautful linebreeding matchup with her.

I actually received a "professional" recommendation to take her to Arch because of his great confirmation. But this would fly in the face of conventional wisdon about avoiding the duplication of male tail in the sireline. Any opinions on that match?

Henthorn: I'll check out Suave.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:57 am

It wasn't henthorn that recommend Suave, it was CS from Darby Dan. Henthorn was on the Grand Reward wagon.

Where is Suave going to stand?

henthorn · Postby **henthorn** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:00 am

The Arch and Never Out match looks like too much distance and not enough speed, especially considering his stud fee will be at least $20K this year.

Keith · Postby **Keith** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:43 pm

Why not breed her to Speightstown?

Line breeding

Mr. Prospector 3x4
Secretariat 4x5
Pocohontas 5x5
Imperatrice 6x6

You may consider Aptitude or Steven Got Even.

Cajun Beat is is by Grand Slam out of a Cure The Blues mare.
Golden Missle is by A.P. Indy out of a Cure The Blues mare

Bellamy Road may be an interesting choice

If you want to breed to proven stallions I would suggest

Aptitude
Grand Slam
Steven Got Even

Some stallions to consider from the Gone West sire line include
Came Home
Gimmeawink
Johar
Omega Code
Proud Citizen

Keith

Pedigree Query

menifee or harlan's holiday?

menifee or harlan's holiday?

I would breed her to Speightstown