Pedigree inquiries

[Gizmo]

Hello everyone! I'm new to this forum, and VERY new to the Thoroughbred world. I was just recently advised to track my mare's pedigree, but have NO IDEA how to do this.

She does have a racing history (listed on her Jockey Club certificate), and I'm hoping it won't be too difficult to find.

Her name is Pluma Roja. Foaled March 31, 1991 by Mehmet, out of Sailing Satan, by Whitesburg. **Information listed on certificate.**

Thank you for any help you might be able to give me.

Tracey

[Bill from WA]

Hi

This mare has a very interesting pedigree. She made 28 starts, 3 wins, 3 seconds, and 3 thirds, earning $18,625. She won both sprinting and routing. Her dam, Sailing Satan, is inbred 3x2 to the mare Papila (ARG). Her paternal grandsire, Crimson Satan (a good broodmare sire), is a half sibling to her second dam. Family number 26, tracing to the conduit mare Eglantine, a source of speed.

Bill

[ZiaLand]

Just curious if Bill or anyone can tell me if Mehmet is highly regarded as a broodmare sire? I seem to see his name popping up as b/s on a lot of pedigrees lately.

Thanks!
Laurie

[Gizmo]

Thank you for the information Bill. I'm not quite sure I understand what it all means, but am happy to have her record.

A couple names were pointed out: His Majesty and Swaps. These both being on her sire's side. Does this mean anything, or is only the dam's side looked at???

Since being told to check into this, I have received several offers to buy her. I don't have any plans to part with her, but would love to breed her.

Thanks again for your help.

[Bill from WA]

Hi Zialand

Mehmet's daughters are starting to get some runners on the track. He has a few SW's as a BM sire, and I'm sure will get more. A local star named Turban, by Lord Avie, was o/o a Mehmet mare. I was pretty impressed with him, on a regional level.

Gizmo

Both His Majesty and Swaps are plusses, and the two mix well in a pedigree because of the affinity between Swaps and the female family of His Majesty (Hyperion/Beau Pere/Polymelus). Both sides of a pedigree are important. You need to examine the whole thing. There are a lot of knowledgable, and helpful, people on this board, many with years of experience. Just keep asking questions.

Bill

[Mahubah]

Purely as an academic exercise, looks interesting on a hypo mating with Tiznow since he of course traces to *Papila in t/f -- would continue line breeding to Hyperion while outcrossing to Tiznow's Northern Dancer inbreeding. (Tiznow's full bro Tizbud might be more realistic though as far as budget and likelihood of being accepted for the book goes, assuming he gets retired to stud within the next few months.)

I notice in the APR that Pluma Roja doesn't have any progeny listed, and she's 13 now. Has she been used for producing sporthorses, or is she still active in some equine discipline besides racing?

[diomed]

Hi Zialand

Mehmet's daughters are starting to get some runners on the track. He has a few SW's as a BM sire, and I'm sure will get more. A local star named Turban, by Lord Avie, was o/o a Mehmet mare. I was pretty impressed with him, on a regional level.

Gizmo

Both His Majesty and Swaps are plusses, and the two mix well in a pedigree because of the affinity between Swaps and the female family of His Majesty (Hyperion/Beau Pere/Polymelus). Both sides of a pedigree are important. You need to examine the whole thing. There are a lot of knowledgable, and helpful, people on this board, many with years of experience. Just keep asking questions.

Bill

Wow! Bill, I co-own a mare whose mother is a 1/2 sister to the dam of Turban! Funny how this stuff comes up in unsuspecting topics..I am curious about him..Have you seen him run? I have him in my stable mail, however, I don't get alot of updates for some reason. I know he is a stakes winner, but that is about all I know...It's a nice family with good producers. We are hoping our mare will continue the trend. Her first 2 foals are fabulous, especially her yearling filly...

Back to the OP...Your mare has a very interesting pedigree indeed..Hmmm...Me thinks, since she is free of Northern Dancer and Nasrullah, with ties to both, a Storm Cat line would be very beneficial...Of course, I don't know what your budget is, but the Storm Cat's are pretty commercial right now and the blood mix seems like it would work well.
Good Luck and let us know what you do with her...I am very curious

[Gizmo]

Thank you all so much!! I have a very limited history on her. She was aquired by a QH breeder in WI/MN. I'm not sure how/why, or how long she owned her before I got her. She's been primarily a broodmare, with occasional trail rides, to further this breeder's Western Pleasure/Rodeo goals. This breeder then gave her to a mutual friend, in exchange for boarding her QHs. I acquired her, bred, for my husband to trail ride.

That foal was born last Spring. The filly looked like a miniature version of her. However, she had a rhy (pronounced "rye") nose, and died a few days later. Our friends have had two schools of thought on what caused this (they're still VERY divided in their thinking): 1) a late West Nile vaccine; 2) she was actually bred to her own son. I don't know which it was, but I know it won't happen again.

She has proven to be too much for my husband to handle. So I take her out occasionally for trail rides. She doesn't seem to care much for it, but she gives everything when we're out.

I guess my next question would have to be.....Do breeders split their fees??? I realize this would vary from breeder to breeder, but is this actually done??? My budget IS small, and I'd really hate to waste what you've called an "interesting" pedigree. As I've said before, I'm COMPLETELY in the dark when it comes to the racing/Thoroughbred world.

Thank you again for all your help!! I will certainly let you know where she goes from here.

~Tracey~

[madelyn]

Gizmo, would any of the folks who offered to buy your mare be interested in a Whitesburg mare? I have a friend who has her for sale, her name is Bonafide Belle. Belle actually produced a very valid runner while being bred to "backyard" horses, and if I had a stallion in my barn that picked up her pedigree I would be all over her like white on rice. I like your mare's pedigree as much as Belle's, and the horse I would be considering for Belle if I had the time/money to devote this year is Storm Boot ($15K). I was researching many more stallions a couple of weeks ago, but got swamped when I sold my house and kind of quit on the "what if's" because I don't have the time or money this year to send Belle to the horse she deserves so I told my friend I would just try to get her sold for him.

With regard to breeding a Thoroughbred, would you be breeding to race or to sell? Sometimes you can get your mare to a horse (for reduced stud fee) in May or June when the horse hasn't had as many mares as the farm thinks he needs... also, in November at Keeneland and Fasig-Tipton you can purchase stallion seasons at auction (sometimes as little as $500), so you should get on the ball and go look at them and pick out some you like! The auction seasons are usually no guarantee, but your mare had a foal last year, so you should be okay.... good luck.