What stallions offer the most value?

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Postby reenci » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:00 pm

INTIDAB.....4,000
DEV IL HIS DUE....5,000
RIZZI....2,000
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Best Value stallions

Postby fastappy » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:05 pm

Hold For Gold formerly at TTT & now at Zimmermans in Utah. :cry:

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Postby BargainBlueblood » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:00 pm

A few of my picks...

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Belong to Me
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Smooth Jazz
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Devil His Due
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Lite the Fuse
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Postby Elusive City » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:17 am

Great Notion 3,500 for racing

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Postby Elusive City » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:18 am

for euro and down under breeders

Elusive City 12,500 euros :D

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Postby karenkarenn » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:21 am

Redatorre now that his stud fee is 2500.
I about passed out.

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Postby Marsalon » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:43 pm

Tannersmyman--almost all his babies have been winners including a G3.

Benchmark--Offspring love the synthetics.

Slew City Slew--Throws some big, beautiful, kind foals that can run.

Tizbud--Vastly underrated and a fraction of the cost of his full brother. See him in person and you'll buy.

Devil His Due--Throws good-minded foals that have long careers capable of contributing to steady breeder awards.

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Postby docjocoy » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:12 pm

Benchmark--Offspring love the synthetics.

Actually the reason his stud fee was dropped so drastically this year was the perception that his offspring DON'T love the synthetics. His "big horses" are not lovin' it.

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Postby Marsalon » Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:02 am

More specifically, Benchmark foals have been dynamite on the Tapeta racing surface.

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Postby zinn21 » Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:53 pm

Marsalon, have you seen many Tizbud foals? What kind of mare does he fit physically?

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Postby Marsalon » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:08 am

zinn21 wrote:Marsalon, have you seen many Tizbud foals? What kind of mare does he fit physically?


No, I haven't seen any of his foals in person. However, in delivering and picking-up my mares to various ranches during this past season, I spent a little time viewing about three dozen Cal Stallions and this guy is the one who sticks out in my mind. His nickname jokingly at Harris Farms is "Tizmud" because if he can find a mudhole he's in it. The horse exudes power, playfulness, and intelligence. He is solidly conformed and I would classify him as a miler type, if I didn't know any better. I may end up taking my lowly Turkoman mare down there yet.

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Postby geowarrior » Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:32 am

Smoke Glacken is at the top end of the prices everyone is quoting here but I think he's an extraordinary value at 17.5 k.

He gets good prices at sale (some many times this stud fee) and his average earnings per runner is excellent (haven't checked the most recent figures but his AES uniformly hangs around between the 70-80k mark). He throws durable offspring and they aren't just sprinters either. A different Mr. P. line through Two Punch and a very good juvenile sire. His best horse was the millionaire filly Smoke 'n Frolic. His son Read The Footnotes has peformed well as a freshman sire also.

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Redattore

Postby fastappy » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:21 am

[quote="karenkarenn"]Redatorre now that his stud fee is 2500.
I about passed out.[/quote]

Redattore is having all of his success down in Brazil, including a G1 winner & G1 place horse. Often what works in S.A. does not transmit into success for N.A.

Currently Redattore is ranked 7th in Ca. 1st Crop sires list with 13 starters and two winners ($59,745 as of 12/24/08 B.H.). It's far to early to judge Redattore's chances of success here (He's obviously a big hit in Brazil), but fee reduction may be reflective on what he's doing here, thus far.

I certainly hope he works out, and that issue was my only reluctance to take a mare to him. He certainly appears to be a value when looking at his accomplishments and appearance in context with the stud fee.

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Tizbud

Postby KMO_racing » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:26 am

I looked at some of his babies from his Fl crop. They were good sized, balanced and racey looking having quit a bit of leg, not as much bone as I like. Over all very nice foals, pretty much similar to each other. I believe the value in the foals will be on the race track and not in the ring from the prices I have seen. Great for a breed to race. If the foals show even 1/2 the talent as the brothers have then I would say a good investment.
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Great Values

Postby Keith » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:32 am

Raffie's Majesty $3,000 93 Foals, 75 Runners, 59 Winners 8 Stakes Winners (9%)

B L's Appeal $2,500 99 Foals 75 Runners, 60 Winners 2 Stakes Winners (2%)

Put It Back $8,500 278 Foals 209 Runners 151 Winners 21 Stakes Winners (8%)

Take Me Out $3,500 375 Foals 287 Runners 205 Winners 17 Stakes Winners (5%)

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