Cozzene

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Postby hpkingjr » Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:56 pm

I know many are fans of Cozzene (Roke et al).

My question: What kind of a mare works best with him?

When I look at his best runners, I have a hard time finding a pattern. What bloodlines have worked the best? What about mare size and conformation, any thoughts?

I do not have a mare going to him but wish I did.

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Postby yukidragon » Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:01 am

A mare that looks like a cricket mite be his type.
Cozzene is one stallion that I have always disliked.
Based on looks.

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Re: Cozzene

Postby kimberley mine » Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:27 am

hpkingjr wrote:I know many are fans of Cozzene (Roke et al).

My question: What kind of a mare works best with him?

When I look at his best runners, I have a hard time finding a pattern. What bloodlines have worked the best?


Cozzene needs a lot of older bloodlines which aren't as readily available anymore. He still gets them, and when he does good things happen, but not as frequently as 10 years ago.

He has done best with son strains of Ribot:

Alphabet Soup (BC winner)
Environment Friend (Champion)
Hasten to Add (Champion)
Tikkanen (BC winner)
Mizzen Mast (Gr-1)
Cocoboy (Gr-1)
Belle of Cozzene (Gr-3, won over $500k)

I think this is why/how Cozzene over Broad Brush mares has resulted in 2 SW out of 3 foals--Broad Brush is a major source of Ribot.

Linebreeding to Blue Canoe (his 3rd dam) through a 3/4 sister resulted in Gr-1 winner Gaviola. Linebreeding to Sir Gaylord through Drone (w/o Blue Canoe) resulted in Gr-3 winner Rhythym Band (Dubai Duty Free winner in its early days) as well as 3 other winners of at least $150,000. Got a Grindstone mare?

He seems to get on well with Bold Ruler, particularly Bold Ruler with an additional strain of either Hail to Reason or Princequillo (e.g. Boldnesian, Key to the Kingdom).

I see a lot of Buckpasser as well. He hasn't done especially well with speedy strains of Mr Prospector. He HAS done decently well with sons of Mr P over daughters of Buckpasser such as Seeking the Gold or Miswaki.

Finally he has had some good success with the Hyperion through Aureole, Khaled, and Olympia.

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Postby hpkingjr » Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:37 am

Kimberley Mine:

Thank you. I see what you so clearly stated but was unable to articulate or describe it myself. Cozzene is probably on his last rodeo and has been really good for a long time.

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Postby kimberley mine » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:10 am

This won't happen for Cozzene, but I rather wonder what would happen if a well-bred daughter of his was sent to NZ and bred to Zabeel. I think that might be a great cross.

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Postby Denise » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:44 am

yukidragon wrote:A mare that looks like a cricket mite be his type.
Cozzene is one stallion that I have always disliked.
Based on looks.


And what 'mite' you mean, exactly, "based on looks?"
Perhaps I'm biased, because we have a lovely Cozzene mare, plus 5 darned nice looking children from her. Please explain...

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Postby yukidragon » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:36 pm

He has a kind face.
But his butt looks 6 inches higher than the front end.
Just at a glance.
Look harder at him an he's so swayed back he looks like two different horses put together in the middle.
Take in account that these are internet pics an he may be normal in person.

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Postby larrygene » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:08 pm

At 27 yrs old his conformation might not be the same as when he was 4 or 5. Granted the pics you're looking at are probably younger than present but, still, I'm not the man physically I was 20 years ago. :( If you believe the numbers, he's the most underrated stallion in recent years along with Slew City Slew. JMO

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Postby madelyn » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:27 pm

So Cozzene might go well with Simply Saucy?
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....

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Postby larrygene » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:50 pm

Looks good to me! :D

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Postby yukidragon » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:05 pm

wow! 1980 model ,no wonder he looks so uneven.
I'd say for 27 he looks great.

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Postby hpkingjr » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:58 pm

Kimberley Mine:

Look at the hypo with Madelyn's mare and Cozzene, you get five of Plucky Liege's babies in the same pedigree. Don't remember seeing that before.

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Postby kimberley mine » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:51 pm

madelyn wrote:So Cozzene might go well with Simply Saucy?


On paper, absolutely.

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Postby spex4me » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:01 am

I plugged in Saluki Gold Rush against him ...... am I wrong to like what I see? :? I realize he is not going to be around probably in 4 years but I am constantly hypo'ing her against stallions to get a better feel about what I need to look for should the time come.... I have 2 ambitions: breed to race and a sporthorse project with color. On this particular cross with Coz I'm loving the conduit mare prof. So tell me the error of my ways on this cross. I figure in a few years I may have a better feel of it lmao!! :wink:
trying to come up with something brillant..... this may take a while. :)

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Postby geowarrior » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:24 pm

Larrygene, I have another question. I know you have Cozzene's son, Counter Punch. In your opinion, what does Counter Punch bring into the mix in terms of the dam side of his family?