Pioneer of the Nile $20,000 fee

[oliverstoned]

First Tale of Ekati at 15k now PON for 20K, seems like they just double up on what they should stand for. Maybe they are going to market them like a jewelry store at the mall does (50% off !!)......... or maybe people are crazy.

[JYS]

It's all about perception. I'll be shocked if they wont deal on him in a big way.

Price him lower than 20k publicly though, and his yearlings will have an uphill climb to become "hot" at the sales.

[LB]

Price him lower than 20k publicly though, and his yearlings will have an uphill climb to become "hot" at the sales.

Welcome to the forum! But I'm afraid I have to disagree.

A number of stallions-- like Tapit who stood for an initial stud fee of 15K at a time when stud fees were considerably higher--had yearlings who became hot at the sales because they looked the part. By the time the yearlings are standing in the sales ring, the physical is a lot more important than the stud fee.

[tmacew]

the 20k price tag surprised me as well. We shall see how he does...

[merse]

I think $20k is too high for him. Wish them luck...

[Joltman]

I guess they didn't get the memo from the Kee sale. In their first year he'll have have a lot of yearling RNAs with more selling for under $10k than over $30k. That's assuming there's anyone left out there to spend 20k and breed to yet another unproven stallion with a 50% chance you'll even get a foal, let alone one worth looking at.


jm

[Toccet02]

Why would I want to breed to a retired due to injury horse anyway, much less at that price? If that means I'll never have a commercial foal or big time runner, so be it.

[tmacew]

amen Toccet

[Sock Monkey]

or maybe people are crazy.

ding ding ding! I think you have it!


The thing about pricing high and dealing is that once it becomes common knowledge that they are dealing significantly on a stallion then he is no longer regarded as a true $20k stallion.

I think PON is on the high side. TOE was surprisingly high. I wonder if we'll see more ammended stud fees later in the year like we did last year.

[LB]

Why would I want to breed to a retired due to injury horse anyway, much less at that price? If that means I'll never have a commercial foal or big time runner, so be it.

What that means is that you wouldn't breed to the majority of the stallions in Kentucky.

[Toccet02]

Why would I want to breed to a retired due to injury horse anyway, much less at that price? If that means I'll never have a commercial foal or big time runner, so be it.

What that means is that you wouldn't breed to the majority of the stallions in Kentucky.

Yep. Exactly. Depressing, ain't it?

[fastappy]

I'm scared to think what Zayat plans on standing Zensational for at Hill N Dale.

"Zensational is a horse that got my full attention when breaking his maiden in spectacular fashion in a hand ride," said Sikura. "He has accomplished as a 3-year-old what no horse ever has. He is a rare and special racehorse with the kind of brilliance that defines great sires."

Whatever they're smoking, .... it's the good stuff! He's surely going to be a great sire huh?

[summerhorse]

What has he accomplished as a 3 yo that NO other horse has?

[Toccet02]

What has he accomplished as a 3 yo that NO other horse has?

The most annoyingly constructed name?

[da hossman]

Zenzational has won 3 straight G1's against older horses - the Triple Bend, The Bing Crosby, and the Pat O'Brien. That is what "no other 3 year old has ever done" - there are probably very few 3 year olds that have even attempted such!

He is a brilliantly fast horse, but I would like to see him run on the dirt again. Highly unlikely as the Breeders Cup Sprint will probably be his last race before going to stud.