The 207th chef-de-race

Postby **Roguelet** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:45 pm

http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/chefs-de-race/carson_city.htm

Georgerz · Postby **Georgerz** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:52 pm

Very interesting. Thank you for posting the link.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:04 am

Thank you, Roguelet - this is GREAT news!!!

I'll give you 3 guesses who bred Carson City's 2nd dam, Summertime Promise. No, it wasn't Phipps. No, it wasn't Greentree. Now...think!

Toccet02 · Postby **Toccet02** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:25 am

Excellent!!
I love Carson City!

Postby **Roguelet** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:54 am

Rokeby Forever wrote:Thank you, Roguelet - this is GREAT news!!!

I'll give you 3 guesses who bred Carson City's 2nd dam, Summertime Promise. No, it wasn't Phipps. No, it wasn't Greentree. Now...think!

Paul Mellon?

horsenuts · Postby **horsenuts** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:33 am

Roguelet wrote:
Rokeby Forever wrote:Thank you, Roguelet - this is GREAT news!!!

I'll give you 3 guesses who bred Carson City's 2nd dam, Summertime Promise. No, it wasn't Phipps. No, it wasn't Greentree. Now...think!

Paul Mellon?

Correct! Now who owned her when she raced(no cheating i.e. googling). Hint: He was from Omaha and had a Preakness winner in the mid 80s.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:04 pm

Isn't Summertime Promise the filly that got Jack Van Berg into the Hall Of Fame? I always thought so! LOL!

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:58 pm

Now, let's see...if this owner still used Van Berg, he would have won the Preakness with some earmuffed horse named Gate Dancer, right? So, I'm guessing the owner was named Opstein?

geowarrior · Postby **geowarrior** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:36 pm

I don't know, but I did think Gate Dancer's earmuffs were cool.

horsenuts · Postby **horsenuts** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:33 am

Rokeby Forever wrote:Now, let's see...if this owner still used Van Berg, he would have won the Preakness with some earmuffed horse named Gate Dancer, right? So, I'm guessing the owner was named Opstein?

Correct. Kenneth Opstein was a pretty big player at the yearling sales in the early 70s and into the early 80s owning several nice horses along the way the best of which were the aforementioned Gate Dancer and Summertime Promise.

Now, what trainer did Opstein bring out of retirement when he decided to get into the horse business in the early 70s?

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:32 am

Hi Horsenuts. I'll admit I used my "phone-a-friend" on this one. (this guy knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING....everybody seems to know someone like that).

He told me that Mr Opstein once had a horse named Destroyer that won the Santa Anita Derby, trained by MC Sims. Is that the correct answer?

horsenuts · Postby **horsenuts** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:54 am

Rokeby Forever wrote:Hi Horsenuts. I'll admit I used my "phone-a-friend" on this one. (this guy knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING....everybody seems to know someone like that).

He told me that Mr Opstein once had a horse named Destroyer that won the Santa Anita Derby, trained by MC Sims. Is that the correct answer?

MC "Monti" Sims would be correct. And Destroyer was a very nice horse. Van Berg took over for Sims in the later 70s.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:46 pm

Horsenuts...I can NEVER stump this guy - can you think of something that might? Grrr!!!!!

horsenuts · Postby **horsenuts** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:08 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:Horsenuts...I can NEVER stump this guy - can you think of something that might? Grrr!!!!!

Maybe. What was the name of Iron Leige's groom as pictured in the 1957 edition of Sports Illustrated shortly after he won the 'Derby.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:44 pm

Lawrence Fitzpatrick, I believe. If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll ask him.

Here's a question that maybe 1 person in 10,000 can answer (no lookups!!!):

What apprentice rider rode Affirmed when he broke his maiden?