I am interested to hear your thoughts on Candy Ride who like Vindication, was retired unbeaten.
He ran ran the mile in a blistering 1.31 in Argentina, before coming to the States. Here he won all three of his starts, defeating Medaglia D'Or by 3 1/2 lengths in the G1 Pacific Classic, setting a new track record. This performance gave him the highest beyer (123) for 2003, proving that he was no fluke.
I had heard that he had small hoofs and sent my farm manager to check him out. He reported that he did not think that this would adversely affect him as a sire and that the foals he had seen, bore this out.
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I keep going back to Hill n Dale to see him again, because his South American bloodlines are difficult to figure. But he was a special horse, and is not badly conformed or outsized. Surprisingly his foals are selling well, as I really never thought he'd be commercial. Cryptoclearance is fast becoming a sire of sires, and Candy Ride is his grandson.
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henthorn wrote:I keep going back to Hill n Dale to see him again, because his South American bloodlines are difficult to figure. But he was a special horse, and is not badly conformed or outsized. Surprisingly his foals are selling well, as I really never thought he'd be commercial. Cryptoclearance is fast becoming a sire of sires, and Candy Ride is his grandson.
I've seen a few of his foals. Quite handsome and solid.
I am biased... I loved his performances here in the U.S. I like some of the stories about him running in "non sanctioned" races in S.A. (supposedly as early as 2... and against older critters), which don't show up on his record or anywhere in print.
I saw him at Hill n' Dale almost at the same time I saw Medaglia d'Oro. Md'O is really something, so I found it almost funny to think this little, non-imposing, relatively non-descript little guy totally kicked his ass. Then, when you see Candy Ride walk, you begin to understand. He is an athlete. He uses himself really well, very fluid, very smooth... makes everything look very easy.
After watching him a little, I think his grooms should be glad he is such a well dispositioned critter, because he is the type which could turn on a dime and catch you by surprise... or, start on one-side and by the time you turn around be on the other. Reminds me of the old baseball player saying he was so quick he could turn off the switch and be in bed before the light went out.
He does have small feet and they did cause him problems. I sent a well footed mare to him, so it wasn't a concern for me. Unfortunately, I was forced to sell the mare prior to seeing the foal. I am told she is in Florida and her connections think very highly of the foal.
I saw him at Hill n' Dale almost at the same time I saw Medaglia d'Oro. Md'O is really something, so I found it almost funny to think this little, non-imposing, relatively non-descript little guy totally kicked his ass. Then, when you see Candy Ride walk, you begin to understand. He is an athlete. He uses himself really well, very fluid, very smooth... makes everything look very easy.
After watching him a little, I think his grooms should be glad he is such a well dispositioned critter, because he is the type which could turn on a dime and catch you by surprise... or, start on one-side and by the time you turn around be on the other. Reminds me of the old baseball player saying he was so quick he could turn off the switch and be in bed before the light went out.
He does have small feet and they did cause him problems. I sent a well footed mare to him, so it wasn't a concern for me. Unfortunately, I was forced to sell the mare prior to seeing the foal. I am told she is in Florida and her connections think very highly of the foal.
We have 4 or 5 here at the farm; some are better than others, but they are only newly turned yearlings, and for many this is their worst stage of life. Ill personally wait and see how their performance is on the track. I remember very clearly watching an interview on one of the racing shows years ago (am I dating myself??) when they interviewed John Mosby at Claiborne, about the newly turned 2 year olds of the young stallion Danzig. This was in January, so little had been done other than galloping at that stage. He said, basically, right now they are just horses, dont particularly stand out, arent particularly flashy. We'll know better in a few years.
I guess they did.
I guess they did.
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'"I saw him at Hill n' Dale almost at the same time I saw Medaglia d'Oro. Md'O is really something, so I found it almost funny to think this little, non-imposing, relatively non-descript little guy totally kicked his ass. Then, when you see Candy Ride walk, you begin to understand. He is an athlete. He uses himself really well, very fluid, very smooth... makes everything look very easy.' "
his stallion pic makes him look like an athlete. i'd breed to him in a ny min.
i always wonder if it's really the training advantages foals of some stallions have that really makes the stallion. those danzigs were probably sent to Fl. early on, galloped in the best programs by the best riders. where as lesser stallions progeny are being walked as yearling preps by xxx agents and then broken and turned out four 4 months.
his stallion pic makes him look like an athlete. i'd breed to him in a ny min.
i always wonder if it's really the training advantages foals of some stallions have that really makes the stallion. those danzigs were probably sent to Fl. early on, galloped in the best programs by the best riders. where as lesser stallions progeny are being walked as yearling preps by xxx agents and then broken and turned out four 4 months.
I think he could have a better female family.
Great racehorses don't always make great sires-especially when they are not from sire producing female families (aka Silver Charm).
I wouldn't breed to a horse solely based on what he did on the track. Obviouslly, a stallion should have shown some class but I don't think he had to be a Champion. However, race record is definitely not the first thing I would look for.
To me, pedigree, female family, conformation, biomechanics, and how he would match up to my mare in these areas are far more important.
Also, don't forget that you are dealing with an unbelievably unsound animal that was held together to make the few starts he made. Why risk getting an unsound horse when there are many sound ones to choose from? No foot, no horse...
JMTC....
Great racehorses don't always make great sires-especially when they are not from sire producing female families (aka Silver Charm).
I wouldn't breed to a horse solely based on what he did on the track. Obviouslly, a stallion should have shown some class but I don't think he had to be a Champion. However, race record is definitely not the first thing I would look for.
To me, pedigree, female family, conformation, biomechanics, and how he would match up to my mare in these areas are far more important.
Also, don't forget that you are dealing with an unbelievably unsound animal that was held together to make the few starts he made. Why risk getting an unsound horse when there are many sound ones to choose from? No foot, no horse...
JMTC....
I agree that Candy Ride has a fabulous walk and movement, but im still nervous about him.
I can make excuses for a South American top but the South American bottom really bothers me. His one saving grace from a female family perspective is that his 6th dam did produce the influentional stallion Le Fabuleux, but im hesitant to give that much creedance since it is so far back.
I knew he would be a good commercial bet for smaller breeders at his initial fee. There was just a lot of excitement surrounding his performance on the track and that usually carries over quite well into the ring. But from a breeding to race or a buying to race perspective, i'd sit and wait.
On a side note, Medaglia is a terrific looking animal... sexy in every sense of the word and he's stamping most the foals i've seen of his like very few others. They should be dynamite at the yearling sales if they keep progressing like they have as a weanlings. And on a further tangent, i've always loved how his 2nd dam was bred. She was born to be the stakes-producer she became.
I can make excuses for a South American top but the South American bottom really bothers me. His one saving grace from a female family perspective is that his 6th dam did produce the influentional stallion Le Fabuleux, but im hesitant to give that much creedance since it is so far back.
I knew he would be a good commercial bet for smaller breeders at his initial fee. There was just a lot of excitement surrounding his performance on the track and that usually carries over quite well into the ring. But from a breeding to race or a buying to race perspective, i'd sit and wait.
On a side note, Medaglia is a terrific looking animal... sexy in every sense of the word and he's stamping most the foals i've seen of his like very few others. They should be dynamite at the yearling sales if they keep progressing like they have as a weanlings. And on a further tangent, i've always loved how his 2nd dam was bred. She was born to be the stakes-producer she became.
Info came from a couple of horse owners from South America who I had the pleasure of meeting at a Keeneland sale. A mutual acquintance was with them and asked me what I had thought of him... then the discussion ensued. I didn't believe every story, but they did seem credible enough.
I would imagine something might be gained by contacting a writer for one of the S. American industry pubs. Of course, you may have a language problem.
I would imagine something might be gained by contacting a writer for one of the S. American industry pubs. Of course, you may have a language problem.