More Than Ready

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More Than Ready

Postby dray33 » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:09 am

I just watched the breezes for the 3 horses in the Calder Sale (10.1, 10.2, 10.3), and I like them all. I don't know much about the sire, doing research now, but do any of you have thoughts? Love to hear from those in the know. Hip 298 is stellar.

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Postby Maven » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:28 am

Very good, young stallion. Carrying on the Halo line from his under-appreciated sire, Southern Halo. His female family is stronger than a glance would suggest. Traces tail-female to La Troienne which is never a bad thing.

Foals are exceptionally versatile winning over any surface. They tend to have very high crusing speeds and are best at up to 1 1/16 , but probably would enjoy farther when bred to the right amount of stamina.

Again, just a very good, solid, young stallion. Only knock, he's getting lots of stakes horses, but not a lot of Graded-stakes horses.

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Postby LaTroienne » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:12 am

Here's his equineline stat summary:

"Statistical summary for the registered progeny of More Than Ready:

5 crops
838 foals
4 crops of racing age
553 foals of racing age
172 current 2 year old foals
221 yearlings
64 weanlings

In North America / USA, Australia, Canada, England, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy,
Japan, UAE, and all other available foreign data:

0 champions
7 graded stakes winners
31 stakes winners
21 stakes placers

Lifetime Current Current Lifetime
Year 2-Year-Olds 2-Year-Olds

Foals of Racing Age 553 553 172 553
Starters(/foals of RA) 305(55%) 165(30%) 9(5%) 198(36%)
Winners (/foals of RA) 209(38%) 69(12%) 2(1%) 83(15%)
Stakes Winners
(/foals of RA) 31(6%) 5(1%) 0(0%) 14(3%)
Stakes Placers
(/foals of RA) 21(4%) 7(1%) 0(0%) 17(3%)
Starts 2,665 513 19 686
Wins (/starts) 453(17%) 96(19%) 2(11%) 117(17%)
Placings (/starts) 685(26%) 124(24%) 3(16%) 201(29%)

Earnings $13,695,642 $1,950,029 $29,197 $4,020,452
Avg Earnings
/starter $44,904 $11,818 $3,244 $20,305
Avg Earnings /start $5,139 $3,801 $1,537 $5,861
Median Earnings $19,260
Avg Earnings Index 2.10 1.73 0.00 2.17
Comparable Index 1.99
Avg Distance Raced 6.73 f 6.88 f 5.43 f 6.10 f
Avg Winning Distance 6.73 f 6.67 f 5.78 f 5.92 f
Avg Max. Win Distance 6.93 f 6.76 f 5.78 f 6.05 f
Avg Min. Win Distance 6.22 f 6.55 f 5.78 f 5.77 f
Chief Earner:
=Benicio (AUS) $735,012
=Fritz's Princess (AUS) $157,973
=Tinikarua (AUS) $8,965
=Carry On Cutie (AUS) $318,271

SALES SUMMARY for More Than Ready with available Northern and Southern
Hemisphere results:
# Sold Total Amount Average Median
Horse 1 $187,000 $187,000 $187,000
Seasons 0 $0 $0 $0
Shares 0 $0 $0 $0

02/26/07 01:50:33 ET equineline.com Product 501S - More Than Ready Page 2 of 2

His progeny have sold at auction as:
Weanlings 88 $5,409,419 $61,471 $41,500
Yearlings 328 $26,520,591 $80,855 $52,000
2 Year Olds 51 $4,337,049 $85,040 $65,000
Older Horses 1 $750,000 $750,000 $750,000
Broodmares 4 $919,000 $229,750 $207,500
Stallions 0 $0 $0 $0
His male progeny have sold at auction as:
Weanlings 44 $3,143,101 $71,434 $50,000
Yearlings 155 $11,989,128 $77,349 $51,919
2 Year Olds 26 $2,306,049 $88,694 $77,025
Older Horses 0 $0 $0 $0
Stallions 0 $0 $0 $0
His female progeny have sold at auction as:
Weanlings 44 $2,266,318 $51,507 $38,000
Yearlings 173 $14,531,463 $83,997 $52,000
2 Year Olds 25 $2,031,000 $81,240 $60,000
Older Horses 1 $750,000 $750,000 $750,000
Broodmares 4 $919,000 $229,750 $207,500


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Postby Rokeby Forever » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:31 am

I LOVE More Than Ready. Compare his 3 year numbers to Giant's Causeway and MTR TOWERS over him, especially when you consider the difference in quality of mare. And he's just as overbred, too - no excuses!

I once discussed with a friend how much smarter the South American breeders are than the Kentucky breeders. Hail to Reason is GOLDEN when crossed with Buckpasser. Did the American breeders cross Southern Halo with ANY Buckpasser blood while he was here? NO! And the result? He flopped here!

The South Americans gave Southern Halo nothing but mares with Buckpasser blood and Southern Halo sired Stake winner after Stake winner. Then, finally, an American breeder gave Southern Halo a mare with Buckpasser blood and the result was More than Ready. DUH!
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Postby wallinga » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:35 am

Aussies: keep an eye out for a good filly by him called Ready to Lift and a Two year old called Tiger Is Ready, real up and comers

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Postby Heidilady » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:19 am

On a lark I decided to trace La Troienne tail female to a mare alive today and see if there were one you could then breed to More Then Ready to lock that Rasmussen Factor in--check this one out. (just hypothetical, I know they'd probably not spend that much on her potential mates but who knows)

http://www.pedigreequery.com/delicious+princess

Also smoke over Vinery's breeding analysis. She totally fits it in so many ways it's hysterical.
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Postby bcassidy » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:57 am

In my private system, MTR scores very high as well. I like him a lot, fairly priced at his current stud fee and a very solid stallion. I wouldn't describe him as a steal and I might consider Smoke Glacken before MTR at SG's stud fee but obviously Pedigree and conformation of the mare might tip me to MTR. MTR has had a stronger book of mares when compared to Smoke Glacken so I also think SG has done more with less. But both are great stallions in that price range, really very difficult to do better in that range.
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Postby KAL » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:24 pm

I am biased. I used More Than Ready 5 times (although, unfortunately, MRLS claimed 2 and a third wrapped in cord at month 8). Of all the horses we have bred or have been a part, I would place the MTR's at or at least near the top.

He isn't the biggest guy in the world, and I am not sure I would send a small mare to him (although I did once), his foals usually come equipped with enough attitude, spark, and athletic ability to make them seem much bigger when trying to "deal" with them. I also am not particularly hesitant to proffer my opinion that he could be a significant source of soundness. It might be noted, however, that his foals may actually be superior, or at least have a genetic advantage at 2 and 3. Of course, this is when he was at the pinnnacle of his career... one in which he was retired sound.

He is simply one male classic winner or BC Juvie or classic winner away from jumping into the elite ranks. (Many outside of KY would put him close to there now). However I am uncertain if the KY boys will allow it.

I love him. If he were a Storm Cat or a Mr. P. line, he would be worthy of being worshipped in the Bluegrass. He also would be getting six figures for his fee. His problem may always be that those good ole boys in KY have built their temples in order to worship the Storm Cat and Mr. P line. It seems the thought of being forced to consider a Halo line in the same regard would be blasphemous.

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:12 pm

Yep, Hail To Reason just doesn't fly in Kentucky. Look how long it took Dynaformer to get recognized as a world class stallion.
What synthetics are to California racing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU

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Postby bcassidy » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:03 pm

In the modern era I would rank Northern Dancer first, Mr P second and then Hail to Reason third. Storm Cat you can keep, if it's not a conformation fault it's a bad temperment with most of his foals. You can keep him and most of his progeny.
sorry about that--- I was trying to do too many things at once and sent the response before I was ready so I had to edit it. I really wanted to say that Hail to Reason was right after the top two stallions in the modern era.
Last edited by bcassidy on Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:45 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby wallinga » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:15 pm

bcassidy wrote:In the modern era I would rank Mr P first and then Hail to Reason second. Storm Cat you can keep, if it's not a conformation fault it's a bad temperment with most of his foals. You can keep him and most of his progeny.


Mr P I can cop, but what about the Dancer, what planet are you on? I didn't know they raced on Mars

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Postby bcassidy » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:48 pm

wallinga----I was doing too many things at once and sent my first response off prematurely, thanks for catching my mistake. I have edited my original post to what I meant to say.
best regards Brendan

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Postby geowarrior » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:57 pm

bcassidy, I have a share in a Smoke Glacken gelding and I really like Smoke Glacken. I'd be interested to know what you like about him specifically.

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:30 pm

Geo - I know Smoke Glacken's trainer, Henry Carroll, never saw a bottle that he didn't leave unemptied.
What synthetics are to California racing:

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Postby wallinga » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:27 pm

bcassidy wrote:wallinga----I was doing too many things at once and sent my first response off prematurely, thanks for catching my mistake. I have edited my original post to what I meant to say.


No worries b, sorry for judging so quick mate