Northern Spy jumper TB

skeenan · Postby **skeenan** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:08 am

I happened to catch the end of the Rolex competition yesterday... boy, if anyone has ever doubted the TBs ability to compete against WBs then they should see Northern Spy! What a *beautiful* Thoroughbred...

I'll see if I can dig up more info on him & some photos...

Elles · Postby **Elles** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:37 am

Pictures of the horse can be found here:
http://www.hooferridingclub.org/archive ... y_6702.jpg
http://imageevent.com/evalyn87508/rolexkentucky2006
http://www.eventers.co.nz/weg_olympics/ ... ndex3.html
http://www.rk3de.org/previous_photo_gallery.php?id=5
http://www.rk3de.org/previous_photo_gallery.php?id=2
http://www.eventingetc.com/2005/april_j ... 202005.htm
http://jmatt.net/rolex/2006/sj/index4.html
http://pets.webshots.com/album/71290287skdkix
http://useventing.com/media.php?section=bios&id=373

Elles · Postby **Elles** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:53 am

One more picture:
http://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/2005_e ... white.html

Skipitgirl · Postby **Skipitgirl** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:50 am

Speaking of this years Rolex, does anyone know offhand what injury Le Samuri suffered to lead to his euthanasia?

skeenan · Postby **skeenan** » Mon May 07, 2007 7:56 am

Elles, those are great!

Thanks for posting!

I heard he was put down, but didn't know either... so sad...

Does anyone know what Northern Spy's pedigree is? I looked at the three that came up, but wasn't sure if any of those are his, or if it's even his registered name... love to know what his bloodlines are!

Seems second place was also a TB:

Connaught, a 14-year-old Irish Thoroughbred, picked up his best finish to date adding just 8.4 time faults on the cross-country and two time penalties in show jumping to his dressage score.

halfpint23 · Postby **halfpint23** » Mon May 07, 2007 8:06 am

Skipitgirl wrote:Speaking of this years Rolex, does anyone know offhand what injury Le Samuri suffered to lead to his euthanasia?

LeSamurai blew out the leg, pulled himself together and took Amy to the last fence. Contrary to some reports she did NOT urge him to take it, and didn't really know how much he was hurt until his landing. The horse ran on his TB heart, it would seem.

http://www.rk3de.org/news_view.php?id=35

http://www.teamtryon.com/

xfactor fan · Postby **xfactor fan** » Mon May 07, 2007 8:40 am

Northern Spy
Sire - All Fair
Dam - Lavendar Faie II

This is from his bio page.

skeenan · Postby **skeenan** » Mon May 07, 2007 10:15 am

xfactor fan wrote:Northern Spy
Sire - All Fair
Dam - Lavendar Faie II

This is from his bio page.

Thanks!

I'll have to see if I can dig up the rest of his dam's info... do they have bios on all of the competitor's horses?

Is Le Samuri full TB? That's tragic... how heartbreaking...

For those who might be interested, the Rolex Equestrian World Finals that just happened in Las Vegas is airing on Animal Planet this Saturday night at 9:00. There are some alternate times, too. I'm bummed, as I was in Vegas the week before for work! I would have loved to go even one night...

majxmom · Postby **majxmom** » Mon May 07, 2007 12:22 pm

halfpint23 wrote:
Skipitgirl wrote:Speaking of this years Rolex, does anyone know offhand what injury Le Samuri suffered to lead to his euthanasia?

LeSamurai blew out the leg, pulled himself together and took Amy to the last fence. Contrary to some reports she did NOT urge him to take it, and didn't really know how much he was hurt until his landing. The horse ran on his TB heart, it would seem.

http://www.rk3de.org/news_view.php?id=35

http://www.teamtryon.com/

I would be very interested to know more about this, but I was (and still am) judging Amy very harshly over this. The commentator noticed that he had gone wrong before the jump, and then after the jump it looked from the head-on view that she was riding him out past the finish line. I know it's worse on the injury to jam them to a stop, but it really didn't look to me like she tried to pull him up until after the finish line. If he really just ripped his suspensory and didn't break any bones, he possibly could have been salvaged if he hadn't taken the last jump.

I wondered if it was an International Velvet moment. Since the other USA woman had withdrawn, had the coaches told her that they needed her to finish for a team score? This business about not being allowed to comment to the media until the federation investigates is rather weird. That doesn't serve anyone. Both Amy and the sport needed a qualified person to discuss what happened while people were still tuned in.

If Amy really did everything she could for the horse based on her judgment at the moment, I feel bad for her, because there are at least thousands of riders out there that watched that program that don't think much of her now.

summerhorse · Postby **summerhorse** » Mon May 07, 2007 7:07 pm

I have the video and the horse was laboring (tired) heading to the end, then he broke down and was OBVIOUSLY lame and tried to stop but she kept him going. I don't know how far it was in distance but it was PLENTY of time to turn a repairable injury into an absolute mess. There was no excuse for not pulling that horse up IMO. Any beginner could have told there was something horribly wrong.

If you want to pay to see it you can go here: http://www.mediazone.com/channel/nbcspo ... nting.jsp#
it is the afternoon session and she comes on at about 1 hour and 17 minutes. I could not FF in real player but in windows media player I could use that bar at the bottom to FF although the picture wasn't as nice. the first 32 min. is nothing but people talking and pictures of people wandering around, then after the next few minutes there is technical difficulties for about 4 min. where you can't see anything.

katydid · Postby **katydid** » Mon May 07, 2007 7:53 pm

It was a galloping injury-- the vets have said that it was not made any worse by jumping. It was as bad as it was going to get, basically he blew the entire support apparatus in his left front leg. We're talking 20 seconds here-- which seems like an eternity while watching it but it went by a lot more quickly for Army and Sparky.

Towards the end of the cross country phase a lot of horses are tired-- it is not uncommon for them to stumble, cross canter, switch leads etc etc. I tend to think she felt him take a bad step and by the time she'd realized it was more than a stumble or clipping himself they'd already committed to jumping the fence, and by that I mean he was a few strides out -- by pulling him up at that point would have been dangerous.

Lucy · Postby **Lucy** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:16 pm

xfactor fan wrote:Northern Spy
Sire - All Fair
Dam - Lavendar Faie II

This is from his bio page.

I've not been able locate the pedigree of Northern Spy or his dam - I've checked the studbooks for five different countries.

Can anyone confirm this guy's a registered TB? In the past, dams with roman numerals have turned out to be British Sport Horses or TB crosses - both of which should be on the All-breed side rather than here.

Web searches turned up no fewer than four different spellings of the dam's name, which doesn't help. :roll:

monicabee · Postby **monicabee** » Wed May 09, 2007 7:27 am

Lucy, I'd tend to go with the dam's name from this article:

http://www.usef.org/content/news/archiv ... pril22.htm

All Fair x Lavender Fair VII

also here:

http://www.rk3de.org/riders_profile.php?rider_id=185

It still doesn't answer the original question, though. Lavender Fair, numbers or not, does not show up in Brisnet.

adrienne · Postby **adrienne** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:37 am

I just can't help but knowing if that had happened during a RACE the jockey would have been up sh!t creek with the stewards for not pulling up immediately.

We had a mare blow a suspensory in the stretch last May. The jockey had her pulled up in about 5 strides... this was a professional racemare with $100k plus in earnings. If you can pull up that kind of mare in a stretch during a race... there is no excuse.

~Adrienne

jumper77 · Postby **jumper77** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:42 pm

I don't ride XC, but I've pulled up in the middle of one-stride combinations plenty of times. Even on a really strong horse, it's not that hard to do.

I'm not going to say shame on her for what happened, because maybe the damage was done before the jump and it didn't make a difference, but all I know is that after the jump, I was saying, "why hasn't she stopped yet?"

That was one hell of a horse, though. He was obviously broken 2 or 3 strides out, but he still did what was asked of him. That's heart.