BARRETTS' MAY SALE--DO FASTEST WORKOUTS SPELL SUCCESS?

[Sysonby]

The 2003 equivalent to the October select sale was the Del Mar sale, but the results probably wouldn't be much better. Towards the end, the Del Mar sale was becoming notorious for high prices and no production so I doubt that the 2003 version was any different.

[halo]

Two months ago the group I'm involved with compiled the fastest workouts from each of Barretts' March 2-y-o in training previews since 1999 then correlated them with each horse's career earnings. That review was so widely accepted we decided to conduct a similar analysis for the Barretts' May 2-y-o Sale.

Time...Name (Sire)...Ylng price...Barretts 2yo price...Earnings....Sts/Wns

1999
1 FURLONG

10.01...MISS PEMBROKE, f. (Pembroke) 11,000 48,000 0 unr
10.03...THREEDEED, f. (Shadeed) 12,000 175,000 80,000 14-2
10.17...CINN CITY, f. (Carson City) 45,000 0 1-0
10.18...EVIL HISS, c. (West by West) 55,000 125,000 13,000 13-3
10.19...BIGGER PRIZE, f. (Prized) 12,500 50,000 2,000 15-3
10.19...SAN ANDREAS, f. (Meadowlake) 38,000 0 unr
10.23...IN REGAL STYLE, f. (Regal & Royal)1,200 41,000 16,000 7-0
10.23...SHESASURETHING, f. (P Gamble) 40,000 57,000 7-3
10.23...POWEROFAWOMAN, f. (The P.M.) 11,000 90,000 3,600 5-1
10.24...HOLY GHOST, f (Holy Bull) 25,000 82,000 15,000 4-1

2 FURLONGS
21.37...FLAMING CLOUD, f. (Out of Place) 30,000 120,000 41,000 60-5
21.50...CONQUISTAS JESSICA, f.(Boundry)52,000 (97,000) 15,000 11-0
21.71...REALLY A FIBBER, f. (For Really) 50,000 88,000 13-3
21.73...CALL TO HONOR, c. (Caller I. D.) 20,000 62,000 70,000 50-6
21.77...WITHOUT DOUBT, c. (Devil H Due)11,000 40,000 8,000 18-1
21.78...KID COURAGEOUS, c. (OutofPlace)34,000 (70,000) 74,000 69-11
22.06...GREENBAYPACKER, c.(Medwlke) 165,000 37,000 125,000 25-3
22.11...DEMIDOLL, f. (Demidoff) 10,000 (33,000) 112,000 26-7
22.22...FRENCH MINISTER, c. (Fr Deputy) 85,000 83,000 10-2
22.45...KALOOKAN STAR. c. (Bertrando) 47,000 65,000 64,000 31-3

3 FURLONGS
34.92...ED'S IN EXCESS, f. (In Excess) 30,000 30,000 12-1
35.38...FAIRLY'S DANCER, g. (Fairly Affirmed) 15,000 66,000 57-8

2000
1 FURLONG
9.9.......LAZER STORM, f. (Storm Boot) 27,000 100,000 97,000 23-3
9.9.......SO URGENT, c.(Twilight Agenda) 280,000 242,000 28-6
9.9.......CAMINO KING, c. (Kingmambo) 220,000 0 unr
10.0.....J P MURPHY, c. (Ghazi) 4,000 5,000 0 unr
10.1.....AMOROUS GEORGE, c.(Boones Ml) 13,000 20,000 67,000 8-2
10.1.....FUSE QUICK, c. (Fort Chaffee) 8,000 33,000 153,000 44-11
10.2.....TEMPLAR KNIGHT, g. (Av of Flags) 18,000 10,000 114,000 37-2
10.2.....AUGMENTER, c. (High Brite) 13,000 30,000 40,000 15-2
10.2.....IFALFERU, .f. (Falstaff) 3,500 (12,000) 91,000 14-4
10.2.....GLORY QUEEN, f.(Honour & Glory) 27,000 30,000 35,000 23-3

10.2.....BIG BIG CASINO, c. (Pioneering) 1,800 100,000 25,000 4-1
10.2.....SHESASTARGAZER, f. (Gldd Time)25,000 15,000 48,000 9-2
10.2.....WAY SHARP, f. (Odyle) 60,000 23,000 19-6
10.2.....NUMERO UNO TICKET, c.(Dep Tkt) 9,000 17,000 3,500 18-1
10.2.....VICTOR VICTORIOUS, c (S Kalem)10,000 72,000 19,000 27-3
10.2.....HOLLYWOOD DIVA, f. (De Niro) 3,000 60,000 13,000 12-3
10.3.....MO MON.c. (Maria's Mon) 145,000 240,000 198,000 21-2
10.3.....BRILLIANT BLUFF, c. (Pine Bluff) 40,000 62,000 69,000 34-4
10.3.....MIDNIGHT FANDANGO, f. (Waquoit)4,000 50,000 60,000 4-1
10.3.....BELLA DRIVE, f., (Silver Buck) 50,000 50,000 9-1

2 FURLONGS
21.1.....CARSON CITY RED, f. (L Carson) 65,000 150,000 13-5
21.2.....NEXT LEVEL, f. (Miner's Mark) 15,000 (70,000) 119,000 19-3
21.2.....COLOR ME SPECIAL, f. (Rv Specl) 2,000 44,000 225,000 33-6
21.3.....SLEEPY RUBI, c. (Rubiano) 45,000 80,000 15,000 1-1
21.4.....REALLY A LUSH, f. (For Really) 20,000 85,000 27-2
21.4.....WHITE ZIN, f. (Lit de Justice) 17,000 (45,000) 2,900 5-0
21.5.....MY TAYLOR RAE. f. (Hennessy) 60,000 60,000 1,300 5-0
21.5.....WILD EXCESS, c. (Wild Again) 7,000 (33,000) 7,000 14-1
21.6.....VALLEY RICHES, c.(Rizzi) 7,000 20,000 36,000 19-3
21.7.....SWIFT TERMS, c. (Private Terms) 5,500 30,000 55,000 38-6
21.7.....PRECIOSA, f. (Level Sands) 77,000 80,000 20-4
21.8.....NON STOP, b.g. (Flying Continental) 22,000 14,000 13-2
21.9.....THIRTYTWO BLACK, f (Mjr Impact) 7,500 30,000 300 9-0
21.9.....POLISH CARGO, c. (Pol Numbers) 27,000 52,000 22,000 17-2
22.0.....MAUI LIGHTS, f. (Aloha Prospector) 65,000 0 unr
22.0.....A REAL KNOCKOUT, f (Two Punch)32,000 80,000 52,000 30-7
22.1.....SPUNKY GAL, f. (Runaway Groom) 7,000 50,000 161,000 8-4
22.3.....SHEET LIGHTNING. c. (Capote) 75,000 31,000 26-3
22.4.....PROWL, c. (Ide) 45,000 0 unr
22.4.....RIGHT MOVES, g. (All Gone) 40,000 (10,000) 34,000 35-1
22.8.....TRICK N DARE, c. (Dare and Go) 27,000 10,000 14,000 36-2

2001
1 FURLONG
9.9.......GERI MCGUIRE, c. (Geri) 215,000 5,000 19-1
9.9.......SASIE CASSIE HUSHI, f (Lit d J) 20,000 43,000 10,000 4-1
10.1.....HARMONY PRINCE, c. (Dist Cat) 25,000 75,000 20,000 1-1
10.1.....MENACING DENNIS, c. (Star de Naskra) 100,000 265,000 15-4
10.2.....SOMETHING GORGEOUS, f. (Whtny Tower 37,000 300 3-0
10.2.....MISS BANK NIGHT, f. (Dept Ticket) 6,000 19,500 15,000 7-1
10.2.....JUST MISSED, c. (Silver Deputy) 230,000 (60,000) 38,000 5-2
10.2.....DISTINCTIVE TALE, f. (Distinctive Cat) 22,000 6,300 2-0
10.2.....YET ANOTHERNATALIE, f (S Boot) 16,000 40,000 177,000 17-4
10.3.....LUNATIC FRINGE, f. (Storm Boot) 45,000 (33,000) 23,000 15-2
10.3.....MISCHIEF IN MOTION, f. (Bertrando)9,000 (30,000) 0 1-0
10.3.....CAPTURAL, f. (Bertrando) 30,000 135,000 6,700 1-0
10.3.....NATURAL BORN STAR, f. (Marias Mon) 120,000 29,000 5-1

2 FURLONGS
21.0.....DEVIL YOU SAY, c. (Devil His Due) 8,000 80,000 25,000 20-2
21.5.....COMES THE STORM, f. (Storm Boot) (50,000) 12,000 13-1
21.6.....LITERARY JUSTICE, c. (Lit de J) 32,000 27,000 19,000 6-2
21.6.....HANDSOME HENRY, c. (S Kalem) 26,000 19,000 27-2
21.7.....HIGH HUMIDITY, f. (Petionville) (17,000) 195,000 35-7
21.7.....STARGLOW, f. (Ide) 11,000 42,000 45,000 40-6
21.7.....PUBLICATION, c. (Petionville) 29,000 500,000 20-6
21.7.....WIDOW BLACK, f. (Iam the Iceman) 23,000 83,000 11-3
21.9.....STOKIN COAL, c. (Notebook) 35,000 170,000 40,000 13-4

2002
1 FURLONG
10.1.....FURIOUS CAT, c. (Tabasco Cat) 220,000 37,000 4-1
10.2.....BUTTERTART, f. (High Brite) 41,000 135,000 24-4
10.2.....TOUCH SILK, f. (Touch Gold) 330,000 32,000 5-1
10.2.....GLANCE WINK SMILE, f (Announce) 130,000 27,000 13-2
10.2.....RESTIVE, c. (In Excess (IRE)) 75,000 1,300 13-0
10.3.....RED APACHE, c., (End Sweep) 100,000 (160,000) 95,000 8-2
10.3.....EL GRANDE ELOPER, c (Helmsman) 28,000 6,000 17-0
10.3.....SHADOW OF ILLINOIS, g (Ill Storm) 22,000 65,000 290,000 25-5
10.3.....CRYPTO 'N CRUISE, f., (Cryptoclr) 11,500 25,000 31,000 17-3
10.3.....LAST KISS, f. (Slew's Royalty) 17,000 74,000 6-1
10.3.....MALIBU MOMMA, f. (West Fame) 6,500 32,000 8,000 2-1
10.3.....DUTCHESS EBEN, f. (Cherokee Run) 65,000 49,000 16-3
10.3.....BETTOR N BETTOR, f. (Slew's Royalty) 37,000 4,200 2-1
10.3.....DANCES ON CLOUDS, f. (Flying Continental) 30,000 50,000 28-4
10.3.....LENIENTLY, f. (Langfuhr) 14,000 (135,000) 73,000 10-2
10.3.....WAY BRITE, f. (High Brite) 27,000 67,000 32-9
10.4.....CLEANING HOUSE, c. (End Sweep) 80,000 125,000 36-8
10.4.....ANGEL ON TRACK, f. (High Brite) 35,000 30,000 18-1
10.4.....MARS HILL, c. (Whitney Tower) 3,500 45,000 0 unr
10.4.....MONDAY THRU FRIDAY, c. (Souvenir Copy) 150,000 3,000 14-0
10.4.....POPCORN MIKE, f. (Lord Carson) 10,000 20,000 1,200 3-0

2 FURLONGS

21.2.....ZAYED, c. (In Excess (IRE)) 70,000 175,000 24-4
21.2.....CASE OF WINE, c. (Gold Case) 15,000 75,000 500 4-0
21.5.....DON CARLOS, c. (Souvenir Copy) 35,000 0 unr
21.5.....SAINT BUDDY, c. (Saint Ballado) 240,000 330,000 350,000 26-4
21.5.....MADRINGA, f. (Snowbound) 40,000 145,000 23-3
21.6.....JACIRO, f., (Souvenir Copy) 100,000 170,000 23-4
21.6.....VICTORY AVENUE, c. (Avenue of Flags) 170,000 4,000 6-0
21.6.....MARKOFCLASS, f. (Benchmark) 5,500 25,000 33,000 7-2
21.7.....LOUP DE LOUP, c. (Loup Sauvage) 3,000 (33,000) 40,000 21-1
21.8.....GOODBYE GAMBLER, f. (Aloha Pros) 37,000 54,000 7-1
21.8.....GO YOYO, f. (Cryptoclearance) 40,000 28,000 16-3
21.9.....TO THE VICTOR, g. (Ave of Flags) 18,500 21,000 29,000 36-4
21.9.....VEGAS SHOWGIRL, (Announce) 3,500 20,000 1,000 8-0
22.0.....HESHOOTSHESCORES, c(Cl Trck) 12,000 40,000 0 2-0
22.2.....STAR TO STAR, f. (Bay Street Star) 4,200 32,000 22-3
22.2.....LAGUNATIC, f. (Smokester) 40,000 15,000 14-1
22.2.....OUR BOBBY V, c. (Majesterian) 9,000 55,000 155,000 28-3
22.2.....BERTRANDO'S DARE, f. (Bertrando) 50,000 31,000 9-2
22.3.....SKY'S SNOW, f. (Benchmark) 8,000 62,000 6-1

2003
1 FURLONG
9.9.......ANA'S LADY BIRD, f. (Lord Carson) 155,000 77,000 8-2
10.0.....EVOLUTION, c. (Gilded Time) 70,000 355,000 45,000 5-1
10.0.....QUICK COVER, f. (Score Quick) 50,000 90,000 14-4
10.1.....MISS BLEUS CLUES, f. (Mr. Purple) 12,500 35,000 85,00 15-3
10.1.....SECRET DATE, f. (Sea of Secrets) 15,000 65,000 0 unr
10.1.....STORMTOREMEMBER, f. (Storm Creek) 38,000 9,000 10-2
10.1.....COWBOYCOMESTOTOWN, c (CC) 32,000 60,000 20,000 10-1
10.1.....IFLOOKSCOULDKILL, f. (Wild Escapade) 35,000 141,000 18-6
10.2.....CAT CARSON, f. (Carson City) 60,000 64,000 5-2
10.2.....STORMIN MOE, c. (Stormin Fever) 85,000 9,000 2-1
10.2.....DREAM MEETING, c (General Meeting) 170,000 0 unr
10.3.....CIVITA, f. (Touch Gold) 135,000 (80,000) 1,000 4-0
10.3.....SWISS TAMERLANE, c. (Swiss Ydl) 6,000 30,000 4,000 1-0
10.3.....ALWAYSWANTMORE, c. (Mt. Liv) 50,000 80,000 50,000 11-3
10.3.....MAGIC MIRROR, f. (Storm Boot) 43,000 (35,000) 1,400 3-0
10.3.....THIRTY FIVE BLACK, c. (Sir Cat) 15,000 35,000 2,200 1-0
10.3.....TRICKY ANNIE, f. (Not Tricky) 5,000 30,000 25,000 4-2
10.3.....REMEMBRANCES, f. (Cherokee Run) 120,000 86,000 14-2
10.3.....GOLLY MISS MOLLY, f. (In Excess) 8,000 0 unr
10.3.....RHINO CHASER, c. (Captain Bodgit) 19,000 35,000 88,000 27-3
10.3.....RED ROCK EAST, c. (Holy Bull) 115,000 0 unr

2 FURLONGS
21.2.....ULTRA CHIC, f. (Smokester) 170,000 11,000 14-0
21.4.....MAZELLA, f. (Mazel Trick) 38,000 55,000 260,000 34-4
21.5.....LYNN GODDESS, f. Boston Harbor) 110,000 80,000 10-2
21.5.....GENERAL EXPRESSION, f. (Gen Mtg) 80,000 53,000 11-2
21.5.....FAST SPLASH, f. (Dance Brightly) 7,000 42,000 67,000 14-3
21.6.....BYEAIRMAIL, f. (Family Calling) 22,000 26,000 23-4
21.6.....CHERRY SPRINGS, f (Silver Dep) 18,000 45,000 2,000 6-0
21.6.....WILD CARIBE, c. (Wild Zone) 27,000 30,000 42,000 24-2
21.6.....YEARLY REPORT, f. (General Meeting) 95,000 835,000 10-6
21.6.....UPPITY KITTY, f. (Tale of the Cat) 32,000 125,000 90,000 7-2
21.7.....AMERINDA, f. (Gentlemen (ARG) 16,000 135,000 0 2-0
21.8.....TELL ME JASON, c. (Diligence) 7,000 20,000 0 5-2
22.0.....JADELICIOUS, f. (Jade Hunter) (28,000) 6,300 9-1
22.1.....COOPERSTOWN, c. (Gentlemen) 10,000 85,000 10,000 17-2
22.1.....ALLURING SONG, f. (El Prado) 75,000 100,000 0 unr
22.2.....SWISS SKIER, f. (Swiss Yodeler) (19,000) 27,000 13-1
22.2.....SPRINGSTER, c. (Red) (10,000) 22,000 22-1
22.2.....GILLESPIE, c. (Gentlemen (ARG) 27,000 35,000 34,000 15-1
22.2.....KING OF THE COURT, c (Halory H) 5,000 18,000 42,000 11-4
22.2.....WILD PHARAOH, c. (Wild Zone) 10,000 27,000 20-6

3 FURLONGS
35.7.....GET RHYTHMICAL, g. (Rhythm) 10,000 (25,000) 0 unr
36.0.....NOWYER BARKIN, f. (Out of Place) 45,000 55,000 13,000 5-1
34.9.....RUHLAND, g. (Dove Hunt) 4,000 65,000 17,000 15-1

2004
1 FURLONG
10.0.....EXCESS DANGER, c. (In Excess) 30,000 70,000 10,000 3-1
10.0.....MR CHARLIE D, g. (In Excess) 60,000 0 1-0
2 1-1-0- $33,020
10.0.....CALICO PRINCESS, f. (Dist Cat) 7,000 52,000 0 unr
10.1.....NO ONE LIKE ME, f. (Benchmark) 10,000 65,000 5,000 2-0
10.1.....SHADOWY WATERS, f. (Wild Again) 12,000 70,000 86,000 17-3
10.1.....KEEP ON BURNIN, f. (Gilded Time) 95,000(72,000) 0 unr
10.1.....STAR OF GOLD FEVER, f.(Gold Fever)8,000 47,000 24,000 3-1
10.1.....TAKIN ISSUE, c. (Twin Spires) 30,000 34,000 2-1
20 4-5-3- $111,000
At 2 3rd A. C. Kemp Handicap (N) (33,750)
At 3 Won Sunland Park Fall Tb. Derby (O) (50,000), 2nd Thoroughbred
Overnite S. (3yo) (N) (15,000)
At 4 3rd Charlie Iles Express Handicap (O) (40,000)

10.1.....VALID KRIS, f. (Valid Wager) 90,000 0 unr
10.2.....DISCRETE, .f. (Distinctive Cat) 4,300 37,000 25,000 9-1
13-2 $32,000
10.2.....LADY RUTHIE. f. (Mr. Greeley) 185,000 4,500 4-0
10.2.....VODKA TONIC, g. (Trail CIty) 4,500 43,000 0 unr
10.2.....CHUMMIN, c. (Formal Gold) 52,000 110,000 72,000 7-1
10.2.....SHEILA'S DESTINY, f. (Island Whirl) 30,000 0 unr
7-0 $5,000
10.2.....EXCESSING, f. (In Excess (IRE)) 62,000 0 unr
10.3.....LUNAR FLIGHT, f. (Flying Continental) 32,000 112,000 7-1
10.3.....CINCO FUEGOS, f. (Category Five) 12,000 0 unr
10.3.....WILD EXCUSES, f. (Wild Again) 60,000 120,000 0 unr
10.3.....GASIN THE TURBO, g (Bold Badgett) 22,000 32,000 56,000 16-3
10.3.....MISS BOBBIE QUICK, f. (Score Quick) 17,000 41,000 10-2
10.3.....LOST MEMO, f. (Benchmark) 4,200 45,000 0 1-0
10.3.....CAT CAT CAT, f. (Classic Cat) 55,000 0 unr
10-2 $27,000
10.3.....LIPS LIKE SUGAR, f. (Mazel Trick) 20,000 55,00 0 32,000 17-5

2 FURLONGS
21.1.....IT'Z ALL MINE, f. (Belong to Me) 50,000 350,000 52,000 8-1
21.3.....IKNOWICANIKNOWICAN, f (Hi Yld) 90,000 70,000 15,000 1-1
8-1 $26,000
21.3.....PRIMITIVE MAN c. (Outflanker) 21,000 140,000 6,000 3-0
12-2 $49,100
21.5.....DIRECT DIAL, c. (Pioneering) 20,000 36,000 11-2
21.5.....TWICE AS FABULOUS, c (Fab Frolc) 3,000 105,000 0 3-0
22-3 $19,000
21.5.....PAPER FLOWER, f. (Bertrando) 45,000 0 unr
21.5.....DO DA PRINCESS, f. (Scatmandu 20,000 50,000 83,000 12-3
21.7.....FROSTMARK, g. (Benchmark) 6,500 55,000 0 unr
25-7 $48,000
21.7.....GOLDEN RELEAF, c (Spinning World)32,000 50,000 800 3-0
22.1.....PRECISE ACCUSATION, f. (Exploit) 75,000 0 unr

3 FURLONGS
33.5.....CRAFTY KID, c. (Crafty Prospector) 130,000 275,000 16,000 9-2
19-5 $52,000

2005
1 FURLONG
10.0.....LAKE CASCADE, f. (Salt Lake) 19,000 90,000 0 unr
2-2 $16,500
10.0.....BING, c. (Illinois Storm) 1,100 60,000 60,000 3-1
10.1.....HAVASU, f. (Sefapiano) 10,000 50,000 38,000 5-1
11-3 $91,000
10.1.....BOLD AND WONDERFUL, f (Olymp) 10,000 38,000 0 unr
10.1.....QUALITY STUFF, f. (Elusive Quality) 60,000 43,000 6-1
10.1.....WORLD ASUNDER, c. (Siphon) 75,000 350,000 10,000 2-0
10.1.....CATONIGHT, c. (Katowice) 20,000 26,000 116,0009-4
10.1.....KITTY STREET, f. (Sir Cat) 100,000 0 unr
10.2.....SUCCEED OR BUST, c. (Miswaki) 52,000 55,000 6,000 2-0
10.2.....FIFTH AVENUE LASS, f. (Av of Flags)19,000 68,000 400 1-0
10.2.....DONERELLA, f. (Doneraile Court) 37,000 110,000 28,000 3-1
10.2.....TOP HER NOW, f. (Old Topper) 55,000 5,000 1-1
3-3 $24,500
10.2.....KARLEE'S KITTEN, f. (Pioneering) 20,000 80,000 34,000 6-1
47,000
10.2.....INABUNDANCE, f. (In Excess (IRE)) 33,000 0 unr
10.2.....MIGHT BE HOOKED, c. (Mighty) 8,500 20,000 107,000 12-4
17-4 $118,000
10.2.....POCO LOCO, c. (Tale of the Cat) 165,000 42,000 0
10.2.....BIG RED MOUNTAIN, c. (Afternoon Deelites 200,000 0 unr
10.3.....STRAVINSKY'S SONG, f. (Stravinsky) 5,000 13,000 2,000 1-0
10.3.....CRUSH N RUN, f. (Precise End) 6,000 24,000 3,000 2-0
10.3.....MY CIELO, f. (Capote) 45,000 150,000 3,500 7-0
10.3.....OUTLAW JONES, g., (Old Trieste) 70,000 110,000 15-2
10.3.....CHINA NOB, c. (Strategic Mission) 20,000 2,500 4-0

2 FURLONGS
21.0.....SASSY SARAH, f. (Lake Austin) 85,000 0 unr
14-3 $72,000
21.1.....TEALS LULLABIE, f. (Sultry Song) 3,500 47,000 0 unr
21.2.....GOLDEN MIRAGE, f. (Golden Missile) (180,000) 0 unr
21.2.....SCEPTER REFLECTOR, f. (K of K) 27,000 38,000 15,000 9-1
21.2.....AWAY DOWN SOUTH, (Dixie Union) 80,000 220,000 25,000 11-1
21.3.....WICKED SIN, f. (Stormy Atlantic) 160,000 5,000 1-0
21.4.....FIVE O'CLOCK TODDY, f. (Five Star Day) 9,500 400 1-0
21.4.....MAMA LULA, f. (Fit to Fight) 60,000 25,000 11-1
21.4.....LIKE RUNNING WATER, f. (Langfuhr) 6,500 50,000 97,000 9-2
21.5.....ROSY LEA, f. (Swain) 9,000 40,000 36,000 3-1
21.5.....NO BETTER TIME, f. (Two Punch) 125,000 165,000 0 unr
21.3......FIGHTINTHECAT, c. (Tactical Cat) 75,000 32,000 36,000 7-4
21.3.....A LITTLE BIT SALTY, f. (Salt Lake) 25,000 (41,000) 0 unr
5-1 $6300
21.4.....STRAIGHT ROW, f. (Straight Man) 55,000 45,000 400 1-0
21.5.....DEEP POWDER, c. (Rhythm) 23,000 66,000 27,000 8-1
21.6.....SONNY JONES, c. (Cahill Road) 37,000 45,000 28,000 10-3
21.6.....CITY STORMER, c. (Carson City) 60,000 108,000 19-2
21.6.....CEE DAZZEL, c. (Cee's Tizzy) 21,000 50,000 22,000 3-1
21.7.....OUTRAGEOUS LIMIT, c. (Tiznow) 195,000 49,000 61-1
21.7.....MEGAN'S MIA, f. (Cat Thief) 45,000 75,000 16,000 3-1

3 FURLONGS
33.4.....STERLING ASSET, f. (Stephen Got Even) 160,000 11,000 3-1
33.8.....RHODINE'S KID, c. (Lexicon) 200,000 11,000 2-0
34.0.....TUG O'WAR, c. (Matty G.) 35,000 0 unr
12-3 $53,000
35.9.....REDDER, c. (Red) 20,000 7,500 7-2

You know, I actually decided to look at this report, and I have to laugh my ass off. Theres so many errors in this thing that I cant even begin to correct them all. Too too funny...

[CA Michael]

halo,

thanks for filling in some of the blanks for us. In compiling our list we used the earnings from the 2006 APR and this site's Pedigree database, knowing that they wouldn't be up to the minute accurate. I'm relieved to see that the newer totals you posted don't make a substantive change in the overall picture.

[halo]

Those earnings are from the 2006 APR.

[CA Michael]

halo,

you must mean the recently released 2007 APR. The three of us who compiled this list work from our own offices, and with different versions of it, so that's how the small disparities must have occurred.

[CA Michael]

halo,

re: your 'study' of the 2003 Barretts sale:

You can't be serious in drawing any conclusions from the information you posted. You listed several dozen horses from a single year; our study encompassed hundreds of horses over an eight year span. If you want to do the work as we did in fully researching the issue, you need to spend more than a half hour. Even if you do that, however, I would take issue with your sole criteria of selling price. Who said that the highest priced horses are the most likely to succeed? Not me! Nor are the lives and careers of the top priced yearlings put at risk as are the 2yo's which are forced to break the speed of sound in their previews.

[turf]

if possible can you tell us what the numbers are on the rest of the horses at the Barretts sale? this sale has been very succesfull and produced countless stakes horses , also if you run the numbers on all horses in all the yearling sales I would think the numbers would be worse ROI

[halo]

Its hard to put any credence in your Barretts 2 year old figures when you cant even do them correctly.

[tbrace]

But, Halo,

The broader point is that the 2yo sales often are not good for the horses, and hence, the buyers.

For instance, the high selling Sky Mesa colt ($650,000) sold by B. Thomas went in 10 flat.

Yet, she said in the Bloodhorse that the colt "is a big rangy, two turn horse". She also said his shins were too sore to go in the February sale.

A big two turn horse with sore shins should not be going 10 flat. There just isn't any way to suggest that such training can be good for this type of horse, is there?

Look at the works at Hollywood or anywhere else this time of year. Those horses are working two furlongs in 24 to 26 seconds, because their trainers are trying to get them to stay sound enough to race.

The trainer is also trying to teach a horse to relax and rate when necessary. A 10 flat 2yo may never be able to learn that. He thinks its balls to wall every time he goes.

If an exercise rider were to blow down through the lane in 20 and change, he'd be off the horse before he got back to the paddock.

And many of those horses are not two year olds, but older horses with mature growth.

For two year olds, it is just too much too soon.

[CA Michael]

tbrace

halo is a member of the Ocala work-them-til-they-drop gang, so it's unlikely she'll have anything other than obtuse praise for the system you and I decry. The animals are just numbers on the wall to this brand of 'horseman.'

FYI, as I've mentioned before, our group is pledged to conduct the same "fastest workout" analysis before each of the Florida 2yo in training sales next year. We will be mailing and emailing our results to buyers from these sales for the last five years.

If time and energy allows, we will also break down the sales horses by CONSIGNORS. Buyers need to know which consignors' sales offerings show their best lifetime performances on preview day.

[CA Michael]

[quote="turf"]if possible can you tell us what the numbers are on the rest of the horses at the Barretts sale? this sale has been very succesfull and produced countless stakes horses , also if you run the numbers on all horses in all the yearling sales I would think the numbers would be worse ROI[/quote]


turf,

Yes, its possible to compile the information you are asking. However, I can tell you that it would probably take a crew of five people a full 40-hour week to do so. Unless one has unlimited financial resources to purchase lifetime race records on several thousand horses, it's simply a matter of how much grunt work people are willing to donate for manual research and data formatting. "Running the numbers" really means "working the numbers!"

Would you like to volunteer to help?

[dray33]

Michael, your post has zero analysis. You took the top 50 horses and added yearling prices and race earnings, without drawing any conclusions. Inflammatory, with intent. This is exactly what you did the first time, drop incomplete/inaccurate data without any hypothesis, hoping to distort reality. Then you call people who disagree names. You failed to do the homework, and tell us what YOU thought the numbers meant and why. It takes time to delve through the numbers, and not just post them. I did, but even after showing you that nearly 50% of the horses from your first Barretts post either won black type or made back on the track what the owners paid, you still didn’t understand. Instead, your agenda was overshadowed by the obvious. Adds up to limited data thrown down to illicit a shotgun reaction.

I’ll go one step better. I am about to present conclusive data that shows that the 2YO sale is statistically a better place for BUYERS. It also, in fairness, answers some questions as to whether it is better for HORSES. It isn’t. If you thought about this smarter, instead of resorting to emotional trickery, you could probably accomplish much much more. I am sure that point will be lost on you, but I’ll explain. You would have little argument if you focused on the fact that the 2YO sale is hard on horses. Instead, you are trying to prove a point that isn’t there, by throwing out data that supports the opposite, in hopes that no one pays close enough attention to analyze it. Come on man. Truth is, the sale is good for buyers, at a cost to the horses. If you are merely trying to say that, you got me. Beyond that, the data suggests otherwise… and more.

I have no intention of hijacking this thread. I will open another in respect to your post.

One thing to add. I agree changes must happen in the 2YO sales. They should ALSO happen in the Yearling sales. Fortunately, we hear talk of Breeders policing their own, and working for change. Unfortunately, we do not hear the same rumblings from the NATC. I am working on that.

[CA Michael]

My my! Why are you so hostile, dray? Is it because a simple recitation of FACTS--i.e. numbers without spin--threatens the income you derive by the annual blasting off of legs and minds of your 2yo's in training???

And speaking of facts, this statement of yours IS NOT: "but even after showing you that nearly 50% of the horses from your first Barretts post either won black type or made back on the track what the owners paid...."

NOWHERE DID YOU PROVE THIS OUTRAGEOUS BOAST!!!!

YOU ARE A LIAR, dray 33.

[dray33]

I'm not hostile Michael. I'm saying your not drawing conclusions. Whatever... I don't expect to go anywhere with this. You and I, we disagree is all. Good luck to you, and your group of horsemen trying to make changes. At least your active.

[tbrace]

The simple changes that needed in yearling and two year old sales are too obvious:

1) randomly drug test, yearlings and two year olds.

2) enforce a two minute clip rule for the breezes.


Heck, I'd buy a two year old then. Who wouldn't want a sound, good moving horse already started and going?

As Einstein said, "It isn't rocket science".