BTW, in case anyone is wondering...
Better Than Honour has a 2yo colt by Mineshaft named Casino Drive and a yearling and weanling colt by Giant's Causeway. Dunno who she's in foal to at the moment.
Anyone want to lay odds she goes to Storm Cat next year?
Rags to riches !!!!!!!!
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bdw0617 wrote:Boy, I'd bred to AP for the next 5 years...
bdw0617 wrote:No storm cat.why?
Her first was by Storm Cat... it is a little puzzling they've not gone back to him.
bdw0617 wrote:I'd love to see her with Awesome Again
Uh... you do realize AA and Better Than Honour were boy sired by Deputy Minister? You're advocating 2x2 Deputy Minister?
See, that's the kind of comment that clients used to make and would scare the bejesus out of me.
I was just wondering who owns the Mineshaft and what kind of bidding war the Doobie brothers and the Irish boys get into over that Giant's Causeway yearling later this year. Should make for some nice fireworks.
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Sam wrote:BTW, in case anyone is wondering...
Better Than Honour has a 2yo colt by Mineshaft named Casino Drive and a yearling and weanling colt by Giant's Causeway. Dunno who she's in foal to at the moment.
Anyone want to lay odds she goes to Storm Cat next year?
She was bred to Storm Cat this year. Her Storm Cat filly Teeming was an extremely talented filly that was a nutcase. Having seen each one of her foals, and all of them as yearlings and then again as older horses, Teeming was the best looking, but also the one you would NEVER be relaxed around.
Knowing her record with Seeking the Gold and A.P. Indy, it tells you what they thought about Teeming when they sent her back to Storm Cat. Maybe this one will have some brains.
Don't be so humble - you are not that great.
Oh, and Japanese interests own the Mineshaft. He was a little weak behind, good shoulder, but questionable front right. I didn't vet him so I couldn't tell you for sure about the front.
He was actually very reminiscent of his three-quarter sister Magnificent Honour. She was actually a better yearling than him but as a 4yo mare, left a lot to be desired.
The Mineshaft was by far her weakest foal.
The Giant's Causeway is good looking. He's a little immature for his age but he has a great shoulder which her best foals have all had. It's a Deputy Minister thing.
The Dubai boys won't be bidding for him. He's by a Coolmore stallion and one of Coolmore's interests bred him.
He was actually very reminiscent of his three-quarter sister Magnificent Honour. She was actually a better yearling than him but as a 4yo mare, left a lot to be desired.
The Mineshaft was by far her weakest foal.
The Giant's Causeway is good looking. He's a little immature for his age but he has a great shoulder which her best foals have all had. It's a Deputy Minister thing.
The Dubai boys won't be bidding for him. He's by a Coolmore stallion and one of Coolmore's interests bred him.
Don't be so humble - you are not that great.
Rags to Riches is out of Better Than Honour and sired by A.P. Indy.
Casino Drive is out of Better Than Honour and sired by Mineshaft, a son of A.P. Indy.
So, in theory, they share more genetic similarity to eachother than they do with Jazil because one is sired by the son of the other's sire, while Jazil is from a different sire-line. Did that make sense?
Casino Drive is out of Better Than Honour and sired by Mineshaft, a son of A.P. Indy.
So, in theory, they share more genetic similarity to eachother than they do with Jazil because one is sired by the son of the other's sire, while Jazil is from a different sire-line. Did that make sense?
Don't be so humble - you are not that great.
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I'd breed Better Than Honour to Unbridled's Song.
By the way, the doctor is doubling my med dose next week.
By the way, the doctor is doubling my med dose next week.
What synthetics are to California racing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU
Maven wrote:Oh, and Japanese interests own the Mineshaft. He was a little weak behind, good shoulder, but questionable front right. I didn't vet him so I couldn't tell you for sure about the front.
He was actually very reminiscent of his three-quarter sister Magnificent Honour. She was actually a better yearling than him but as a 4yo mare, left a lot to be desired.
The Mineshaft was by far her weakest foal.
The Giant's Causeway is good looking. He's a little immature for his age but he has a great shoulder which her best foals have all had. It's a Deputy Minister thing.
Thanks Maven. I found Tada had signed the ticket on the Mineshaft before I crashed last night. Figured he wasn't much to look at since he only sold for $950k. Do you know if he's still in the states or is he over in JPN?
Maven wrote:The Dubai boys won't be bidding for him. He's by a Coolmore stallion and one of Coolmore's interests bred him.
Forgot about that... ya gotta wonder about this game they keep playing. So no fireworks until '09 then when the Storm Cat is a yearling... ah well. Wonder if the potential bidding war also helped make the decision to go to Storm Cat. Bet she never sees another Ashford or Darley sire again, which is a shame... Bernardini might've been interesting.
HEY! Maybe they'll take her to Proud Citizen in 4 years *duckin' and runnin'*
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Perhaps Sam is right that in the overall analysis there was a weight advantage and maybe Rags to Riches' win isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread (although I have to say I was completely overcome watching the race).
But some of the seeming hard feelings here are out of place. Rokeby has enough of a sense of humor that he won't be put out by the ragging, and I think that regardless of what you think of him, he cares about the sport as much as any of us. It seemed like a great day for many of us, Sam, so maybe you could lighten up a little.
So was it history? Well it was unusual. Was it a great thing? Maybe not but it felt like it. Was it good for the sport? In my mind, unquestionably.
Showing Ruffian the same night was unfortunate timing though. It reminded people what might happen if we try to continue the rivalry among Rags and these male horses that she raced against. Which is too bad, because I know people that watched this year's T.C. races for the first time in years and were excited, thought they were great races, loved the horses, etc.
Because most of these Belmont horses didn't quite seem to get the distance doesn't mean that many of them won't turn out to be great in their own ways. Curlin simply never gives up and should continue to improve. Hard Spun should drop back in distance and could be devastating either on dirt or turf - he can travel really fast. Some, like Tiago and Slew's Tizzy are improving but have yet to find their niches.
Some injured talent will come back, Tiz Wonderful is the first to come back working out.
Rokeby thinks this is the worst crop of three year olds in years. I can't tell but in terms of entertainment value this bad crop has done more for the sport than any GROUP of horses for years (by that I mean that individuals like Smarty, Alex, Funny Cide, Barbaro have all lit up the public - but who knew their rivals?).
So a question - can a filly be three year old horse of the year? Or are the categories only 3yo filly and 3yo male?
And where does Street Sense stand now? Mistake to miss the Belmont? Or sensible to avoid being beaten by the filly?
But some of the seeming hard feelings here are out of place. Rokeby has enough of a sense of humor that he won't be put out by the ragging, and I think that regardless of what you think of him, he cares about the sport as much as any of us. It seemed like a great day for many of us, Sam, so maybe you could lighten up a little.
So was it history? Well it was unusual. Was it a great thing? Maybe not but it felt like it. Was it good for the sport? In my mind, unquestionably.
Showing Ruffian the same night was unfortunate timing though. It reminded people what might happen if we try to continue the rivalry among Rags and these male horses that she raced against. Which is too bad, because I know people that watched this year's T.C. races for the first time in years and were excited, thought they were great races, loved the horses, etc.
Because most of these Belmont horses didn't quite seem to get the distance doesn't mean that many of them won't turn out to be great in their own ways. Curlin simply never gives up and should continue to improve. Hard Spun should drop back in distance and could be devastating either on dirt or turf - he can travel really fast. Some, like Tiago and Slew's Tizzy are improving but have yet to find their niches.
Some injured talent will come back, Tiz Wonderful is the first to come back working out.
Rokeby thinks this is the worst crop of three year olds in years. I can't tell but in terms of entertainment value this bad crop has done more for the sport than any GROUP of horses for years (by that I mean that individuals like Smarty, Alex, Funny Cide, Barbaro have all lit up the public - but who knew their rivals?).
So a question - can a filly be three year old horse of the year? Or are the categories only 3yo filly and 3yo male?
And where does Street Sense stand now? Mistake to miss the Belmont? Or sensible to avoid being beaten by the filly?
geowarrior wrote:So a question - can a filly be three year old horse of the year? Or are the categories only 3yo filly and 3yo male?
Age and specialist titles only. The Eclipse aren't like the AQHA people who title anything and everything. All she can get is her age title and Horse of the year.
She'll need to do MUCH more to win Horse of the Year -- no 3yo filly has ever attained that title. If she wants HOY, she's going to need beat her elders (I'm telling you, run her in the Go For Wand -- to hell with the boys) and hope the male handicap division falls apart or win the Classic herself.
There's definitely a bias when it comes to HOY voting. Older Male is the HOY by default. 3yo male is the next most common winner. Then Turf Male and Older Female. 2yo colt next.
No pure sprinter, 3yo filly or 2yo filly has ever won an Eclipse for HOY. My memory bank is jammed, but I think only one Turf mare has managed HOY (I want to say All Along, but I'm not 100% certain).
geowarrior wrote:And where does Street Sense stand now? Mistake to miss the Belmont? Or sensible to avoid being beaten by the filly?
Indeterminate.
Street Sense is in a pretty good position because he's not going to have to do as much to win CH 3yo colt. A win in the Travers and a good showing in the Classic could do it. He doesn't have to worry about overtaking a dual classic winner so he's not going to have to deal with his elders until the Classic, if at all. R2R helped him in that she eliminated a Classic winner. Had one of the colts one, Street Sense would have had to watch 2 colts and play chess with them. Now he only has to worry about Curlin.
Unless some other 3yo freaks later this year and wins one of the fall 3yo races and a race or two against his elders (like Tiznow did), Curlin and Street Sense are the only two horses with the credentials to win Ch. 3yo -- and I think, right now anyway, SS has the subconscious edge because he broke the BCJ/Derby jinx. If he goes on to win the Travers and Classic, he's HOY. Voters won't ignore a horse who pulls off the Derby/Classic double anymore than they will a dual classic winner.
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