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Pictures Too!: Update on the girls

Postby Rushtawin » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:16 pm

Note: The pictures don't correlate to the paragraphs :-p

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^The goats are doing well, here's a pic from last month - as you can see, their hind legs healed beautifully. 6 weeks after the coyote attack, and there's nothing noticeable on their legs.

Lexy @ barn for hours = massive amounts of photos. Fortunately, this means Babe's used to the flash and doesn't spook at it. She's definitely keeping me on my toes, in that there's always something going on. For example, moved her to the 7th barn in her lifetime. The only reason she gets moved is if the barn isn't honoring the boarding contract or is doing something that threatens her health or well being. The place we're at now I feel we'll be at until I leave for grad school - it's full care, and she's out on 35 acres with at least 13 other horses. She LOVES it. Absolutely loves being out there.

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The added benefit is that she's nice and mellow. The atmosphere there is great - no drama, no politics - plenty of smiley people. And my goats are there now too at no extra charge. There's no set visiting hours, I was encouraged to camp out if I wished to or to even show up at 2am to ride if I felt like it. (Pretty cool for a college student who gets out of work at 11PM most days.) They let me bring in whichever vet/farrier I want and cheer us on.

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^Her napping after her first full bath in 2 years - normally she's just hosed up.

Hmm. She's been doing great. I got her over the vast majority of the issues she had when I adopted her. She doesn't bite, walk in on her hind legs, bolt into you, pin you to stall walls, or attempt to strike at people any more. She'll occasionally threaten with a kick, but hasn't delivered any to me or anyone who hasn't done anything stupid around her. She's okay with her ears, udder, and feet being handled. She seems to be mellowing out and I walked her down the trail through the woods yesterday without a problem.

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^Hand grazing after that bath

Afterwards, I lounged her as I always do to keep an eye on her legs - walk around me twice, trot around me twice, switch directions, and repeat. Usually that's all it takes and she's obedient and lately has even willingly walked and trotted quietly - even on the line! I wait until she's ready and then a few steps later, invite her into the center and unhook the line and she follows me around for awhile. When I get bored of that, I have someone boost me up bareback and we walk around a little bit. I don't lounge her to get the energy out - though if she does have a lot of it pent up, it seems like the safest way to let her get it out of her system. It's nice because I can pick up immediately if she's off or not as responsive as normal.

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^Me about to unbridle her

I'm not sure what to think, however, about her recurrent intermittent lameness. Yeah, she's favored her RF fetlock and LH hock/stifle before, but usually works out of it a few strides into a gentle trot on the lounge line. She's more balanced again, her top line will be back shortly now that I'm down there frequently. So we've eliminated it as a neck/back problem. We've checked her feet, no abscess or bruising. Her quarter cracks seem to go away on their own and overall her feet have seemed healthy. She's no longer flat footed or thin soled, according to several farriers.

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^Me caught off guard

Her unsoundness does not correlate with lounging or 3 loops around the arena at a walk with me bareback, and I'm light enough that the vet doesn't think it'll hurt anything, he and others from dif. clinics seem to think that keeping her in gentle exercise will be the way to cure it, but I'm hesitant because it should have stayed away by now. This is the first time in a few months that she's shown any signs of lameness. It's a bit discouraging when she's being so good for lounging and light riding.

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^English Lesson #1 aboard Diamond the QH. That was my first day on him, but he's the 3rd horse (at that point in time) I'd been on in an English saddle.

She doesn't seem to have bad conformation, according to unbiased members in the horse profession (AKA not myself). I'm not sure what to make of it. Ruling out her back, feet, and light exercise regimen, I'm almost wondering if it's just that old injury causing her discomfort, and if it is, if she's developed arthritis or anything new since her last vet visit. I haven't heard any pops or snaps or clicks in the joint and she hasn't hesitated with me handling her feet. There is no heat and no swelling, just gait abnormality (compared to usual) with occasional head bobbing at the trot & favoring the limb. It's frustrating that she hasn't presented this any of the times I had the vet or farrier out - 3 attempts with each! Her flexion tests came back normal last time (though they did hurry through it). They even watched me lounging her last time and hadn't picked up on it. I was thinking about putting her on a Glucosamine Chondroitin supplement with sulfur, and then adding a clove of garlic a night to her ration discourage mosquitoes.

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^English Lesson #3, aboard CJ the Thoroughbred mare.

I wonder if there's a way to call them when she's doing it as a non-emergency call... kind of the "I don't have a video camera to show you what she didn't present any of the last times" thing.

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^Me on Babe again, my first time on her - that was back in mid - Feb. 2006.

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Postby clh » Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:50 am

Hi sweetie; great photos! Thanks for posting them and I loved the updates. Babe is a beauty - but then so is her owner :) Keep up the hard work - it seems to be paying off for both of you.

The goats are too stinking cute !

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Postby Rushtawin » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:53 pm

More pics, from today's downpour & a few nights ago

http://cobleskill.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2011399&l=b26dc&id=71400682
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Postby skeenan » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:30 pm

Those are great pictures; thanks for sharing them! You both look very happy and content with each other... :D I love your goats, too—as we have two, so I can relate... :wink:

That's frustrating about the intermittent lameness. Besides being pretty, what I noticed when I looked at some of your new photos—and it could be the angle—is that her hind end seems to be tucked under a little in her stance. Usually, a horse's cannon is fairly close to 90º when the leg is straight. Bell stood that way when we first got her and she had a fairly flat slope to her croup. My farrier was able to change the angle of her hind feet slightly and she stood more upright. Over time, her croup filled out and her hind end straightened up. Your girl's feet appear to be at a normal angle, so I don't know if it's the same thing... maybe others can comment? :?

What I'm thinking is, if she is tucked under a little, it might cause some tension somewhere, thus making her seem off. I'm just taking a guess, as if she were mine and I had a similar issue (as you've found nothing obvious in her legs/joints).

Regardless, I hope you're able to pinpoint the issue—I dealt with a minor abcess in Bell's hind foot a month ago. A lot of small rocks surfaced with the thaw, so I'm guessing she bruised her sole tearing around as she does! :wink: She was a good patient, though, and was much better in a couple of days.

I'm glad to hear that you've found another barn that you're happy with—sounds like a much better fit! :D Keep sharing stories of your progress—she looks great and you both look happy! :D

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Postby Rushtawin » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:07 am

Will mention that to the farrier, who is due at the farm a week from today. Good eyes, and thanks for noticing that! She also paws while in the aisle or when tied or anxious... (or bored and impatient) and that seems to also wear down her front feet like crazy.
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Postby Rushtawin » Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:47 pm

Farrier came yesterday, I called him to see what he found since I couldn't find transportation down to the farm... he's going to call me back tonight, but mentioned that when he took her sole back a little on her LF that he found a bruise and that he thinks she has fluid on her knees in the front... on the other hand, I find it hard to believe - the horse had no fluid on her knees on Monday afternoon, and myself and several trainers had our hands all over her legs checking for things like that. So I'm guessing whatever he found is something new, which makes me wonder what the original problem is. Oy vey, I hope this improves soon or is manageable.
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Postby Rushtawin » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:31 pm

Let's put it this way, the phone calls to the farrier and the barn where not good in any way, shape, or form. Except that she stood like a pro for the farrier, meaning me working with her legs since I've gotten her has helped a lot.

Next call Monday morning: to the vet, for the following: updates/boosters on shots, lameness workup including imaging, and as soon as possible, those hoof boot sneaker things... they said keep her moving at no more than she's been doing (ie. mainly walking with a few slow trots here and there) with no one heavier than me on her back and nothing heavier than a synthetic english saddle (screw that, I like bareback) and that shoes likely wouldn't help because he thinks it's a knee problem.

I hope they're wrong and that something simple can heal or at least manage this. At least it's not genetic. BLEH. :?
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Postby skeenan » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:46 pm

Wow... I hope you're able to pinpoint the issue(s)! :?
I'm sure it's perplexing, as well as frustrating...

I hope I didn't offend you with my original comment... I meant to add that I wasn't commenting on her hind leg conformation, which seems good to me. Just thought it might be the same hoof angle issue that Bell had, which was a minor thing...

Why are they recommending hoof boots...? To protect her bruised sole?

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Postby Rushtawin » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:28 pm

No offense taken! Though it's nice that you were concerned about my response! I mentioned it to the farrier but he doesn't think it's that. I guess it's a case where I'm going to need a lot of 2nd opinions... I'm virtually neurotic about feeling her legs up (that sounds dirty) and that's why I found it odd that the farrier claims it's her knees that have fluid on them. Not sure what to tell anyone, so anyone who can ask questions and steer me in the right direction is VERY appereciated!!!
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Postby clh » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:17 pm

Hi kiddo - you could get some lubrisyn or MSM or some other joint lubricant and see if that helps. Also - one of my mares has issues when she she is trimmed or when anyone picks up her feet too far. Meaning she has some slight arthritis in her knees/shin splints and if they crank her knees to trim them she limps for a few days afterwards. My poor farrier - everytime he comes to see the mares - I remind him - this is the mare with "iffy" knees so he doesn't hold them so far up between his legs when he trims them and she does alot better. Just a thought. Hope they figure it out (did they rule out an abcess? Sometimes those are pretty deep and take a while to work their way out - but still cause problems.

Good luck and let us know what you find out!
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Postby Rushtawin » Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:19 pm

Thanks for the advice!!! Will definitely look into that! I'll try to take pictures tomorrow if I get a chance too... maybe you guys can spot something I'm missing. I'd be thrilled if she stays sound for flat work, ecstatic if she recovered enough to be sound for over fences, but content as long as she's mostly comfortable and able to walk around with me on her back.
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Postby madelyn » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:34 am

Wow. All of the retired OTTB's in the world need an owner like you.
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Postby Rushtawin » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:49 am

*sheepish grin*

I actually have a mini database full of names & contact numbers for a lot of places up and down the East Coast. If I could find financial security enough to care for additional animals and finally get transportation, I'd be golden for taking in OTTB's. I figure a horse is a horse, on or off the track! I wonder if corporate sponsors exist to fund rescues...
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Postby skeenan » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:03 pm

clh wrote:Also - one of my mares has issues when she she is trimmed or when anyone picks up her feet too far. Meaning she has some slight arthritis in her knees/shin splints and if they crank her knees to trim them she limps for a few days afterwards. My poor farrier - everytime he comes to see the mares - I remind him - this is the mare with "iffy" knees so he doesn't hold them so far up between his legs when he trims them and she does alot better. Just a thought.


That is a good point... could be something that simple that is showing up...

Hope you're able to find an answer & in the meantime, have time to just enjoy her! :D

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Postby Rushtawin » Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:38 pm

Well, she behaved like a real lady again today. It was nice. I went to get her out of the 35 acre field, so instead of coming immediately to me, she had me follow her up into a field of flowers similar to white daisies. I am bringing a camera tomorrow and taking a picture because it was scenic enough that my jaw dropped. And then she walked into the shade and waited for me to halter her, and we began her gimpy walk down to the barn.

Hosed her off twice, and each of her front legs got a 15 minutes date with the cold hose. Her hind got washed off and a little cool water. Her knees blew up. Like, they look HUGE compared to normal. And her left front tendon is puffy enough where you can't see the indent like normal on its inside. I was like... *groans* oh no! So that's why she got the extra hosing. During it, I sat on the hitching post and she put her muzzle on my hip and she was very behaved throughout. She began resting her front foot, which is bad because that has to hurt if she's resting it like that. She let me handle her legs without a problem, and I was careful not to lift them too high. She seemed to like that.

If it keeps going at this rate, I'm going to have to call the vet sooner than later. I didn't put Furazone on her yet, it's in the bottom of the tack trunk and the tack room light blew and I couldn't find it though the girls at the farm thought it was funny that all they could see was my backside as I searched. I just wish I could make her more quickly comfortable, the hunt begins for supplements and treatments that could help from the inside out or outside in. But hey, she was placid enough again today to not care when I put the new fly mask on her!
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