How much will Invasor's stud fee be?

[Worksoplad]

"Again I ask, is he going to Shadwell or not? The ENGLAND farm, not Kentucky. If he's going to England, he's not going to get $60k... that would be 120k pounds. Ain't happenin'."

Sorry to correct your currency conversion error here, but $60,000 = 30,000 british ponds not 120,000.

[Sam]

"Again I ask, is he going to Shadwell or not? The ENGLAND farm, not Kentucky. If he's going to England, he's not going to get $60k... that would be 120k pounds. Ain't happenin'."

Sorry to correct your currency conversion error here, but $60,000 = 30,000 british ponds not 120,000.

Bah... read the converstion rate backward. Thanks.

For anyone who's interested:

1.00 USD = 0.499400 GBP

United States Dollars ----- United Kingdom Pounds
1 USD = 0.499400 GBP ----1 GBP = 2.00240 USD (DAMN! -- what the hell's going on? That was 1.9985 last night. It was 1.94something a couple months ago.)

Live mid-market rates at 2007.06.28 07:00:16 UTC

[Rokeby Forever]

Because for every handful of failures you have a Lord at War, Cougar II, Forli, etc.

Forli? Forli? Name one ONE Forli line sire today. Key To Content? He bred his way to Italy - even Key Bridge blood couldn't make a sire out of him. What did Broadway Forli ever sire? Nichols was giving him away.

When Intrepid Hero died (a tragic loss to the breeding world for obvious reasons, IMO...and shaddap, Maven!), Forli died. You need a search party to find Hyperion today - how much did Forli help?

Is Patton at $2,500 the last hope for Lord At War? I can't even think of a Cougar son at stud!

[Maven]

Forli was a very good sire in his day, which was my point. We're not talking about long-lasting sire of sires. You dont need to be one to a very good stallion. Little common sense Rok.

[Rokeby Forever]

Forli was a good stallion for Claiborne, but Maven - also consider how long ago he stood stud there. You shouldn't have to go back 30 years to find an example.

[Maven]

You dont have South American stallions retiring every day in Kentucky. He's one that still has pedigree impact. I think he was a very viable example.

[Rokeby Forever]

You dont have South American stallions retiring every day in Kentucky.

And Easing Along flew through the window to save the day?

[Maven]

I dont consider Easing Along a South American stallion. He has a completely American pedigree. There's not the same obstacles a truly South American stallion faces either commercially or pedigree wise.

[Rokeby Forever]

I dont consider Easing Along a South American stallion. He has a completely American pedigree. There's not the same obstacles a truly South American stallion faces either commercially or pedigree wise.

Excuse me...but he IS a South American stallion. Show me ONE American offspring of his. South American foals = South American stallion.

Now, being South American/North American BRED is a different story.

[Maven]

Oh please, dont insult your own intelligence to try and support one of your idiotic rants.

If every South American stallion had an equivalent pedigree to him, we wouldn't be having this discussion now. The horse raced in America for his whole career and is bred top and bottom in America.

Imagine, just like a person... where you're born is what you are. Please tell me you were born somewhere outside of the border.

[Rokeby Forever]

If every South American stallion had his pedigree, they would have no racing. Easing Along managed two wins in six starts.

Look what Storm Cat poison did to the family of Allemande! Storm Cat is to great families what Charles Manson was to Sharon Tate.

[bdw0617]

look at a horse like admire moon, although he races in japan, he's as blue blood as blue blood gets if you look at his pedigree. don't think he would make a bad stallion somewhere in kentucky

[Maven]

If every South American stallion had his pedigree, they would have no racing. Easing Along managed two wins in six starts.

Look what Storm Cat poison did to the family of Allemande! Storm Cat is to great families what Charles Manson was to Sharon Tate.

None of Relaxing's daughters have been able to reproduce her class in the shed, Cadillacing coming the closest. Like most of the Phipps' families, people expected every mare out of a major producer to carry on the line in the same regard.

But if you actually look at the family, Relaxing was by far the brightest spot in it. Allemande and Marking Time were both good broodmares, but not exactly jaw dropping in their achievements.

I would not be shocked to see another great producer come from this line, having generations of class, being bred to top stallions, and tracing to La Troienne, but it's not uncommon or unexpected that it hasn't happened yet. It's how these families work. Very few families remain as thick with stakes winners through generations without having a "quiet" period.

Blaming Storm Cat just makes you look like an ignorant ax grinder.

[Maven]

look at a horse like admire moon, although he races in japan, he's as blue blood as blue blood gets if you look at his pedigree. don't think he would make a bad stallion somewhere in kentucky

I happen to love End Sweep and think we lost him much too soon to export and then death. I think he was one of the truest sources of versatile speed.

Admire Moon has a very turf/european bottom line. Nothing wrong with that, but i'd imagine he's much more appreciated where he's at. Although it makes you think, they have to be saturated with Sunday Silence blood. I wonder how much SS inbreeding is going on and with what success?

[Rokeby Forever]

Maven...have you lost your mind? Only Storm Cat could manage to be bred to a family that's doubled to La Troienne and sire a horse that goes 2-6 and winds up in the South American jungle.

I'm an ax grinder, huh? Lucky for you that I'm not an ax murderer!