Rags To Riches Out of CCA Oaks

TJ · Postby TJ » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:25 pm

Rags to Riches is out of the Coaching Club American Oaks this weekend due to a slight fever. Pletcher said her next start will be the Alabama for 3YO fillies at Saratoga. :>( TJ

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:34 pm

Black and cherry fear - plain and simple.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:36 pm

Boca Grande wont win this race with or without Rags. She's a second tier filly running for a G1 placing.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:45 pm

I'm still surprised that Pletcher ran Ashado against Pleasant Home.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:32 pm

hi Maven

Maven wrote:Boca Grande wont win this race with or without Rags. She's a second tier filly running for a G1 placing.

Are you saying that Boca Grande is not good enough to win a G1? If so, don't you think that she might benefit from circumstances (including the defection of a star or two) that might enhance her chances to win a G1?

After all...wasn't that the case when 4-yo colt Political Force won the G1-Suburban...his first stakes-win ever, and only his 4th win (overall) from 15 lifetime starts (he was also 2nd in a G1 [the Metropolitan], 2nd in one G3, and third in two G3s).

Certainly when superstar racehorse Invasor was scratched from the G1-Suburban, Political Force (and ALL other entrants for that matter) benefitted...don't you think? Even then, Political Force was sent off at 5 to 1 (and paid $12 to win). Apparently many were not confident that he coud pull it off...despite the absence of Invasor.

For comparison's sake...the filly Boca Grande is a 3-yo who has won 3 of 7 lifetime starts...including two Grade 2s (and was third in the G1-Mother Goose).

That said...for you to rule out the possibility that Boca Grande might win at least one G1, seems (to my way of thinking) to be an unreasonable conclusion at this time.

Respectfully

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:57 pm

She's not good enough, in my opinion, to win the CCA Oaks if the field remains as is with the defection of Rags. She's one of the second tier fillies in this race. In my opinion, she's running for a placing. I specifically said "this race" for a reason.

Now, G1's down the line? Who knows. Every race depends on it's field, as you well know.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:13 pm

Maven....don't hide on Sunday when I remind you of that last post. OK?

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:21 pm

IF she wins i'll handle my crow with a lot more grace than you've ever shown on this board.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:24 pm

Good, handle your crow...especially since you probably sing like one, too. LOL!

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:30 pm

Maven wrote:IF she wins i'll handle my crow with a lot more grace than you've ever shown on this board.

When she loses, do you think we'll be entertained with posts about how he's merely stacking the deck and waiting for her big performance in the BC Distaff?

oooooooh... BAD SAM! Damnit, Maven. Now you have me doing it.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:32 pm

Let's just hope that Rags To Riches is over her "fever" before the Alabama.

Coolmore UK crap. Happy Sam...when the Arabs pull crap, I write "Arab crap," and when Coolmore pulls something, I write "UK crap." I'm as fair and impartial as they come.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:00 pm

brings up an interesting theory.. do you think it could be something contagious that the green monkey might have gotten?

Galileo1998 · Postby **Galileo1998** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:17 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:Coolmore UK crap. Happy Sam...when the Arabs pull crap, I write "Arab crap," and when Coolmore pulls something, I write "UK crap." I'm as fair and impartial as they come.

In that case perhaps a geography lesson is in order. Coolmore is not in the UK. :wink:

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:40 pm

hi Maven

Maven wrote:(Boca Grande's) not good enough, in my opinion, to win the CCA Oaks if the field remains as is with the defection of Rags.

Fair enough...your opinion is noted.

Maven wrote:She's one of the second tier fillies in this race. In my opinion, she's running for a placing. I specifically said "this race" for a reason.

Fair enough again...but if she wins, would you describe her as a second tier filly that won the Oaks...or might you retroactively redefine her? I just want to better understand your thought process.

Maven...what was your opiniion of, and/or how would you have described/categorized Political Force going into the G1-Suburban...second tier, or what? Again...just trying to get a better handle on your thought/evaluation process.

Best to you.

Respectfully

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:54 pm

FOS wrote:Maven...what was your opiniion of, and/or how would you have described/categorized Political Force going into the G1-Suburban...second tier, or what?

I dunno about Maven, but one race does not make a horse top tier, IMO. IF Political Force can duplicate that Suburban win, I might consider him amoung the top handicappers in the country.

At this point, I wouldn't even call Boca Grande second tier. More like third rate. That last race was pathetic and if that's all she's capable of, she doesn't belong in G1 fields.