haHA.. now I see why Rag isn't running.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:22 pm

I knew something was up. I don't play the NY tracks so I don't pay much attention. But I couldn't believe my eyes when I looked up and saw Folk at 4 to 1 in the American oaks.

This horse is good enough to beat rags'... the only reason she's 4 to 1 is because she was based in Dubai.. but trounced any and everything she faced.. all grade 2 and 1 races. They though enough of her to run her again asiatic boy in the UAE derby. It pays to pay attention to racing outside of your country, because Folk might be the best filly in the country, and is no worse than 3rd behind Rag's and Magnificence when healthy.. however Folk will go father than Magnificence and assuming she handled the trip over here well, will demolish this field. I mean the horses she was beating and this field isn't even a comparison. she was facing world class 3 year olds from UK, Australia, hong kong, UAE and making them look like Allowance horses

Rags sipping has nothing to do with a fever. it has everything to do with not wanting to get beat on national TV.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:11 pm

You're really reaching on this one. Folk is a good filly but she's yet to show form in the states. Many a "giant" in Dubai fall short in the US. They wouldn't be ducking a filly in a race they considered a "prep". Throw a party for Folk, she's beautifully bred, but let's make her a winner on this side of the world this year before announcing her the best filly on the track.

I also wouldn't ignore that fact that both her stakes wins were in Dubai against fillies that were either second tier or didn't belong on the main track. The "best" of the UK, Australia, and Hong Kong run on the turf... not the dirt.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:48 pm

You're really reaching on this one. Folk is a good filly but she's yet to show form in the states. Many a "giant" in Dubai fall short in the US. They wouldn't be ducking a filly in a race they considered a "prep". Throw a party for Folk, she's beautifully bred, but let's make her a winner on this side of the world this year before announcing her the best filly on the track.

excuse my language, and don't take it personal, but that's the most ass backwards logic on earth.

A horse, running in grade 1's in DUBAI.. the WORLD FESTIVAL OF RACING, WHERE EVERY RACE IS A GRADE 1 OR 2. They don't have allowence races in Dubai. Handicaps or Stakes. It's basically a 5 day meet similar ot Royal Ascot expect the meet takes place over a month or so rather than 5 days.

TRUST me on this one. she has ran in America, she broke her maiden in NY and trounced the company then. was bought privately by The Tum's and shipped to Dubai. Similar to Discreet Cat.

Look at some of the horses she has beaten as well.. they aren't chopped liver.

that and the fact that the day after rags came down with this sudden fever, no less than 24 hours she is back on the track and training.. but sitll isn't going to race.... :roll:

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:03 pm

Im well aware how the Dubai meet is having been to it. But once again, your "fan boy" ways seem to be clouding your common sense. I said the filly has never won a stakes in this country. I'd also like you to tell me what DIRT top class horse she's beaten?

Just to make it clear, she has very obvious room to be something here, but to say she's the reason Rags had a fever, come on! She's not even a stakes winner in this country. She's a complete unproven commodity that is just as likely to bounce in this country as she is to pick up a check.

They dont fear her! Rokeby's insane ramblings about them ducking Boca Grande holds more water than this one.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:08 pm

Maven....Team Coolmore passed on the CCAO before Boca Grande went sore. Just remember that!

As for Maven having "ass backwards logic," what do you expect? She's ass up often enough. LMAO!

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:10 pm

Once again Rok, please dont confuse your fantasies with reality.

Foggytrip · Postby **Foggytrip** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:12 pm

Ive watched all of Folk's races. At this point she would get her head jerked off by Rags to Riches. They really arent in the same league until Folk beats the best colts in America, or proves her form over here. Last time I checked she got drilled twice in MSW fields before winning here.

Shes a filly of quality, but not the quality of Rags to Riches.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:18 pm

The best filly that Rags ever beat is Octave, whom most agree is a 2nd tier filly. She also beat a dried up Dreaming Of Anna in KY who's now sticking to the turf.

She also beat Curlin - after his 6th race in three months. Other than that, the Belmont field was as blank as Maven's face in the 12th Grade if you asked her, "What's the square root of four?"

She ain't unbeatable...passing up the CCAO now gives her an "excuse" to run in the Alabama rather than the Travers...Breedmore (oops, I mean Coolmore) can say she was off schedule and opt away from facing Sightseeing.

Foggytrip · Postby **Foggytrip** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:22 pm

I dont think there is a filly out there capable of beating her when she runs her race. I dont care if Curlin was wheeled back in 3 days, hes a very very nice horse. Her A game is very difficult for any filly running to beat.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:25 pm

Exactly! Quality filly no doubt, but how she can be compared to the best 3yo filly in the country is mind boggling. Let's see if she can win stakes race here first.

On your behald BDW, she does have a wonderful pedigree. She's by the very good stallion Quiet American out of a Danzig mare of quality. She is anchored by her 4th dam, T.C. Kitten, who has been quite the bluehen.

T.C. Kitten is the tail-female ancestress for such standouts as Belmont winner Editor's Note, G1 winner Hold That Tiger, G2 Arkadian Hero, G3 Field Cat, G1 Hennessy, G1 Pearl City, G3 Shy Tom, and a slew of stakes winners.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:26 pm

Easy Goer...Coronado's Quest....Rhythm....

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:29 pm

Let's not make this into another Phipps thread for Rok to cheerlead about. Bottom line, Rags has earned the title as the best 3yo filly in the country, and every other filly has a LOT to accomplish before they can challenge for that title.

Foggytrip · Postby **Foggytrip** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:33 pm

No question about that

I do like T Smiths filly Sheets alot

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:42 pm

She's a good filly but I question her class in G1 company. The distance would also be a big question mark on her for me.

Octave is sitting as the one to beat, but I dont love her at 10f especially coming back after 3 weeks. I think 10f is flirting with end of her distance limitations. But she is the class of the field.

Because of the distance, I can certainly see Folk being right there if Octave starts struggling, but you also have to question her fitness for 10f.

A sleeper is Rosie's Attitude. She's the only one in the bunch that should just be getting going at 9f. If she's got any talent, she can pick up a piece.

And what am I miss about Humble Janet? Has she even broken her maiden? :roll:

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:45 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:Maven....Team Coolmore passed on the CCAO before Boca Grande went sore. Just remember that!

As for Maven having "ass backwards logic," what do you expect? She's ass up often enough. LMAO!

that is too funny. I didn't even know Maven was a woman. nothing better than a woman that knows her stuff