Domestic Dispute

[griff]

Here's a Mid Atlantic G-2 son of Unbridled Son out of a G-3 placed dam who had six [6] yearlings sale for a $ $111k average and a $110k median at the July Fasig-Tipton Yearlung sale.

Mind you these were six YEARLINGs not 2YO in training. What's going on here??

griff

[Maven]

I think he was always considered second tier on the track and some of the sires in his tail-female didn't excite a lot who play the commercial market in Kentucky.

With that said, he's tail-female to Geisha, dam of Native Dancer and female family of Grey Flight. I think he opens up some interesting linebreeding with the right mares.

[Derby2004]

I think some of the momentum from Songandaprayer are rolling over. Im not sold on Unbridled Song being a sire of sires though. He had one son who had one good year.

[griff]

I'm looking for "commercial" stallions in the Mid Atlantic and had just about settled on Siphon and Not For Love and along comes this guy who's yeralings average and median is as high as Siphon and NFL 2 YO averages and medians.

I think NFL's yearlings average around $60k and Siphon's yearlinds average around $30k

There are a ton of Unbridled Song sons out there with much better bottoms side that are not selling like this.


griff

[Maven]

I think it's his location that makes him an interestingly big fish in a small pond. Im not surprised with his auctions prices at all... he would have been a no-brainer from a commercial stand-point if you're breeding in that area.

[griff]

Marvin

Those six yealings sold at the July fasig in Kentucky, not Maryland..
griff

[Maven]

I realize that, but I was speaking about the smaller stud fees in the Mid-Atlantic getting Kentucky prices at Kentucky sales... he was sure to do that because of his pedigree and race record.

[griff]

I understand your point; however, in my openion, neither his race record nor his pedigree justifies even half that $110k median price for 6 of his yearlings.



griff

[Maven]

I dont think ANYONE should be spending six figure auction prices for a foal by an unproven stallion, but that's how the market has been for quite some time.

If you break it down, we're talking a multiple G2 winner by a very commercial stallion who people are banking on to be a sire of sires.

I dont know what Domestic Dispute sold for, but I would imagine it was a good amount. And being from the Unbridled line, you know most of his foals will have good size, and as we all know, size matters at auctions.

Look at the Even the Scores. They've been lighting up the ring as well, although admittedly they've looked great as a whole.

[griff]

I think I'm going to drive up there this Sundayand have a look at Domestic Dispute.

I have a mare in foal to Yankee Gentleman that I am going to move to PA in September and I believe I can still make it a PABRED even if I haul the both of them to Domestic Dispute at Northview after he is born.

My other choice of a 'commercail" stallion for this mare is Siphon. He has the second best sales avearge that I've been able to find in the Mid Atlantic but it's his 2 YOs that are averaging in the six figures, not his yearlings.

Do you have any other suggestiions for Mid Atlantic "commercual" stallions??

griff

[Maven]

I think Oratory is the most interesting. Sons of Pulpit have been selling very well and I think you'll be coming off what should be interesting Pulpit sons of Sky Mesa and Tapit coming on the track.

Also, Oratory was highly regarded in the shed and with the edition of Dehere on the bottom side, the foals should be forward enough to appeal to pinhookers looking to buy weanlings and yearlings.

I would also add Fantasticat onto the list purely on pedigree alone. Even though both Oratory and him are G2 winners, Oratory had more brilliance and was better respected (probably because of no chance to disprove himself on the track) than Fantasticat. With that said, that's a sire making female line behind him.

But I would highly recommend Oratory. I believe his oldest will be two year olds when you have a foal on the ground. Might be a good weanling play.

[Rokeby Forever]

Give a hoot....don't pollute!

Hail To Reason can save the sport!

[leveeguy]

Griff,
Let us know what you think.
I'm tempted to make a trip to see him as well. The sales figures for his first crop sure are eye-popping -- at least for this area.
Don't know if his stud fee will go up next year or not.
While you're out there, see if they'll show you some of his foals as well.

[leveeguy]

Griff,
Let us know what you think.
I'm tempted to make a trip to see him as well. The sales figures for his first crop sure are eye-popping -- at least for this area.
Don't know if his stud fee will go up next year or not.
While you're out there, see if they'll show you some of his foals as well.

[griff]

I like Pulpit also but don't think Oratory is a canidate for my mare as she is an A.P Indy and a Risen Star grand daughter. The other is a Seattle Slew grand daughter that's in foal to Not For Love and we will probably do that nick again.

Fantasticat would be OK but I was looking for a stallion with a sales record which Domestic Dispute certainly has now.

I was also looking at Siphon as 42 of his 2 YOs have a $100k plus average sales. . And, he's definitely be an out-cross a with anything I have.

By the way, have you looked at Dance With Ravens. not much of a race record but he's by A.P. Indy and his dam was Canidain champian mare with $3 million in winnings. He's also not a canidate for my mare becaise of the close A.P Indy in=breeding that nick would produce and no sales record but I sure like his momma.

griff