Curlins Owners in Jail

[ageecee]

they asked the judge to delay there trial and judge said sure and revoked there bond meaing they had to go to jail. WTF??

They are accused of stealing millions from there clients..



Foggy what have you heard on this subject?

[Linda_d]

If they were bank robbers or muggers from the inner city, they'd be in the pokey, right? And if they asked for a delay in their trial, they'd still be in jail. Let 'em rot there if they want to play fancy legal games.

I have more sympathy for thieves who steal because they're poor or need to feed a drug habit than for wealthy thieves who steal because they want more money, especially when they defraud people who are poorer than themselves.

[horsenuts]

If they were bank robbers or muggers from the inner city, they'd be in the pokey, right? And if they asked for a delay in their trial, they'd still be in jail. Let 'em rot there if they want to play fancy legal games.

I have more sympathy for thieves who steal because they're poor or need to feed a drug habit than for wealthy thieves who steal because they want more money, especially when they defraud people who are poorer than themselves.

Couldn't agree more Linda D. White Collar crime is the most vile of robberies yet the most lenient when it comes to time served. Michael Milken was charged with 98 counts of racketeering and fraud and yet served less then 2 years of a 10 year sentence and is worth over $2 billion today. People like Milken think nothing of leaving investors and families penniless bilking them of their last dime while walking away with their ill-gotten gains. For to long white collar criminals have been coddled and why white collar crime has never been reigned in. I view white collar crime much more seriously then blue collar crime.... yet blue collar criminals fill our prisons. At least Jessie James used a gun... white collar criminals use a pen and are far more lethal in their devastation with financial ruin often the end result.


As for these lawyers who gorged themselves at the Phen-Fen trough whilst their clients received crumbs... send them to Sheriff Joe in Phoenix for 7-9 years of hard labor under the desert sun in pink underwear and coveralls eating green baloney and drinking only warm water.

[bdw0617]

If they were bank robbers or muggers from the inner city, they'd be in the pokey, right? And if they asked for a delay in their trial, they'd still be in jail. Let 'em rot there if they want to play fancy legal games.

I have more sympathy for thieves who steal because they're poor or need to feed a drug habit than for wealthy thieves who steal because they want more money, especially when they defraud people who are poorer than themselves.

Couldn't agree more Linda D. White Collar crime is the most vile of robberies yet the most lenient when it comes to time served. Michael Milken was charged with 98 counts of racketeering and fraud and yet served less then 2 years of a 10 year sentence and is worth over $2 billion today. People like Milken think nothing of leaving investors and families penniless bilking them of their last dime while walking away with their ill-gotten gains. For to long white collar criminals have been coddled and why white collar crime has never been reigned in. I view white collar crime much more seriously then blue collar crime.... yet blue collar criminals fill our prisons. At least Jessie James used a gun... white collar criminals use a pen and are far more lethal in their devastation with financial ruin often the end result.


As for these lawyers who gorged themselves at the Phen-Fen trough whilst their clients received crumbs... send them to Sheriff Joe in Phoenix for 7-9 years of hard labor under the desert sun in pink underwear and coveralls eating green baloney and drinking only warm water.

here is the thing... if it's a fed case, which I am sure it is... ther eis no such thing as bail. They either consider you a flight risk or they don't.

You don't need bail when you have US Marshalls.

he did something to peeve the judge off. What I don't know.

And, as someone who has unfortunatly had to go though the federal legal system before... it's not what it seems. Unlike the state... the Fed's will not make a move until every T is crossed and every I is dotted.. they have no qualms in the least bit about taking 2-2 YEARS before going to trail..none waht soever, and the Defense attorney asked for an extention and the guy gets put in jail?

did he do it? I am one of the few that beleives in innocence until proven guilty..but still. The only reason someoen should be locked up before they are sentenced is if 1) they are a flight risk and 2) they are a threat to society. He is neither.

If the amount of money is in the mIllions...he's looking at every bit of 15 or so years.. there is a guideline that judges follow at sentencing.

[madelyn]

There is no question that the Phen Fen case was historic in the incredible scalping done by the plaintiffs' attorneys. The victims, on whose behalf the drug company was sued, received virtually nothing. But this is a prevalent problem in a society plagued by the absence of integrity rising all the way up through so many of its highest educated professionals.

We finally have a nation educated without any kind of religious support in the schools, so no moral code. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. I don't believe any religion should be forced upon any person. But I do believe in the foundation moral codes found in religion. The bible is a book of rules for living.. Maybe not to the letter.. let's not sell our daughters into slavery. But there is something to be said for the Ten Commandments -- and most people I have met in my life can't manage to obey more than six or seven.

[bdw0617]

We finally have a nation educated without any kind of religious support in the schools, so no moral code

what a very biased thing to say. Being an atheist myself, I take great offense to that. I have a heart of gold, I'll move mountains to help people who need to be helped, I love animals obviously) and it's not because "god" wants me to.

But I do believe in the foundation moral codes found in religion.

don't mistake morality for religion. Morality starts not at school, it starts at HOME. It's that though process right there that has the whole country up in arms. people expecting teachers, at 25-30k a year, not only to be teachers, but mothers and fathers as well. People who go to church, only after getting home at 6am the night before from a guy's house after leaving a club for a One night stand. Then say "it's the schools!!!.. yeah that's it.. as long as it's not me!!'

But there is something to be said for the Ten Commandments

if you actually Read Exodus, you would know that there were originally more than 10 commandments.. and they weren't the 10 commandments that you see on the front of the building of every courthouse. I grew up a baptist and although I'm an atheist, it's by choice, and i can quote bible scriptures with the best of them.


with all that said.. this is a horse racing forum.. if you want to continue this, join me at politicalcrossfire.. this is not the place

[halfbridled]

It is a such a shame that a fine horse is associated with these people.
I agree with horsenuts - let them go out and work their tails off ..maybe they should get a taste of the average day of a working person they will think twice before they steal from them.

[Tucumcari]

if you actually Read Exodus, you would know that there were originally more than 10 commandments.. and they weren't the 10 commandments that you see on the front of the building of every courthouse. I grew up a baptist and although I'm an atheist, it's by choice, and i can quote bible scriptures with the best of them.


ummm. which Bible are you reading?

[bdw0617]

you gonna make me break out the regious talk on a Saturday? oh well

turn to Exodus 20:2-17. You'll see the familiar list of rules about having no other gods, honoring your parents, not killing or coveting, and so on. At this point, though, Moses is just repeating to the people what God told
him on Mount Si'nai. These are not written down in any form. a couple of chapters later, Moses goes back to the Mount, where God gives him two "tables of stone" with rules written on them (Exodus 31:18). But when Moses comes down the mountain lugging his load, he sees the people worshipping a statue of a calf, causing him to throw a tantrum and smash the tablets on the ground (Exodus 32:19). In neither of these cases does the Bible refer to "commandments." In the first instance, they are
"words" which "God spake," while the tablets contain "testimony." It is only when Moses goes back for new tablets that we see the phrase "ten commandments" (Exodus 34:28).

your REAL ten commandments, not the ones given out by hollywood to make acadmy award winning movies or preachers trying to steal your money are located in Exodus 34:13-28

[hpkingjr]

Diet-drug attorneys ordered to jail
Judge acts to protect assets in fraud case

By Andrew Wolfson
[email protected]
The Courier-Journal



The three lawyers charged with bilking clients out of $46 million in Kentucky's fen-phen case went to court yesterday morning to argue for a delay in their trial.

By afternoon, they were in jail.



Finding too great a risk that they would move the missing money off-shore -- or themselves flee abroad -- U.S. District Judge William O. Bertelsman ordered attorneys Shirley Cunningham Jr., William Gallion and Melbourne Mills Jr. removed from the courtroom and confined in the Boone County Jail.

They apparently will have to remain there until their trial, which Bertelsman postponed from October until Jan. 7.

Bertelsman said in an order that "no conditions of release will reasonably assure the appearance of the defendants," whom he noted could face 20 years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines.

"They have a tremendous motive to stonewall," Bertelsman said in the order, which set no new conditions for release.

He also observed that the lawyers have provided no accounting for the money and that "there is a tremendous public interest in concluding this case in an expeditious manner."

The lawyers had been free on their own recognizance since they were indicted in June.

Sonya Pickett, a Lexington woman and former fen-phen client now suing the lawyers for damages, said she was ecstatic to hear they had been locked up.

"They belong in jail, and you can quote me on that," she said. "Yes! Praise God! Maybe justice will finally be served. This gives me goose bumps."

Attorneys for the three lawyers either did not respond to phone messages and e-mails, or wouldn't comment.

Angela Ford, who represents Pickett and more than 400 others of the lawyers' 440 ex-clients, said, "I think Judge Bertelsman felt the outrage that the entire legal profession has felt about this case. And I am thrilled to see it happen."

During yesterday's hearing, which was expected to be a routine status conference, Bertelsman heard counsel for the lawyers request that their trial be delayed, and then warned that if he did so, he would revoke their bond. And after taking a 15-minute recess and hearing from the prosecution and the defense, Bertelsman did just that: He agreed to postpone the trial to Jan. 7, and then ordered the three men into custody. The government also had favored a continuance.

Cunningham, Gallion and Mills -- all suspended from practice last year -- were photographed and fingerprinted before being taken to the Boone jail, located in Florence, said John Schickel, U.S. marshal for the Eastern District of Kentucky.

Each faces one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and has pleaded not guilty.

In the lawsuit filed by their former clients, Senior Judge William Wehr of Boone Circuit Court has already ruled that the lawyers defrauded their clients in the $200 million diet-drug settlement. He ordered them to repay $42 million, plus another $20 million that already had been placed in escrow.

They also could face punitive damages at the trial of that suit, which has been postponed until after the criminal charges are resolved.

Ford said Bertelsman took "the only action he can to protect the victims" and prevent the lawyers from "dissipating assets."

Her clients haven't been able to collect any money yet because Wehr has not issued a final order.

The three lawyers legitimately earned more than $60 million in fees from the case, but Wehr has found that they paid themselves and others an additional $64 million.

Gallion, who litigated the case, was a respected lawyer who for more than two decades represented the University of Kentucky Chandler Medical Center. Mills and Cunningham were well known in the Lexington market.

Gallion and Cunningham attracted national attention earlier this year for their part ownership of the thoroughbred racehorse Curlin, who won the Preakness Stakes.

They bought the horse last year for $57,000, then sold 80 percent of it for a reported $3.5 million

Reporter Andrew Wolfson can be reached at (502) 582-7189.



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Know the difference between a lawyer and a sperm cell?


1 out of 1,000,000 spern cells will actually become a human being.

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:14 pm

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Just as it would be unfair and wrong to take Michael Vick and say he is like all other NFL players, and to take Barry Bonds and say all ML ballplayers are alike, it is unfair to paint all of Kentucky's lawyers with the same brush as Cunningham, Gallion and Mills. Trust me (no pun intended), the conduct with which these men are charged is reprehensible and does not represent the standard of conduct for Kentucky lawyers. Lawyers are easy targets, especially with groups like the Chamber of Commerce out to help Big Business by trying to undermine public trust in lawyers. To be sure, some lawyers have brought shame and distrust upon the profession, but, the Phen-fen situation is not the professional standard followed by the huge, vast majority of Kentucky's 12,000 lawyers. Nobody likes lawyers until they need one, and then, they want to win. That is the way it is with human nature, I guess. Just do not go around thinking that the conduct which allegedly occurred in this case is standard operating procedure in the legal world. It most assuredly is not.

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:35 pm

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I won a jury verdict for $900,000 against Melbourne Mills. I was the person who got Mills started in class actions and, after doing my research and finding women with heart valve damage, brought him the Fen-Phen idea. I was promised $1,065,000.00 as a bonus for my research & work. I had proof of this agreement and the jury agreed. Mills greed set in and I was refused the promised bonus. I won a jury trial in 2006 which the Lexington Herald Leader titled, "Brockavich Bonus Must be paid". After the verdict, Mills attorney requested to Judge Ishmael to reverse the jury verdict, and it was. It was remarkable that the circumstances by which the judge allowed the suit to go to court were identical to the circumstance that he used to overturn the verdict. Clearly Judge Ishmael didn't think I would win. I was stunned by my loss as well as the clients. My case is now with the Supreme Court and even though I do not expect to see the money a moral and legal victory acknowledging my contribution would be nice.
Cindy Underwood Sawyer
"Brockavich Bonus Must be paid" should have but did'nt
Kentucky's Brockavich

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:46 pm

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Know the difference between a personal injury lawyer and a catfish??
One is a slimy, scum-sucking bottom feeder...the other is just a fish.

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:03 pm

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Once they're convicted, they should be publicly flogged on the courthouse steps as a lesson to all of the other shyster lawyers who rip off their clients. GET OUT THE STOCKS!

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:48 am

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[Tucumcari]

you gonna make me break out the regious talk on a Saturday? oh well

turn to Exodus 20:2-17. You'll see the familiar list of rules about having no other gods, honoring your parents, not killing or coveting, and so on. At this point, though, Moses is just repeating to the people what God told
him on Mount Si'nai. These are not written down in any form. a couple of chapters later, Moses goes back to the Mount, where God gives him two "tables of stone" with rules written on them (Exodus 31:18). But when Moses comes down the mountain lugging his load, he sees the people worshipping a statue of a calf, causing him to throw a tantrum and smash the tablets on the ground (Exodus 32:19). In neither of these cases does the Bible refer to "commandments." In the first instance, they are
"words" which "God spake," while the tablets contain "testimony." It is only when Moses goes back for new tablets that we see the phrase "ten commandments" (Exodus 34:28).

your REAL ten commandments, not the ones given out by hollywood to make acadmy award winning movies or preachers trying to steal your money are located in Exodus 34:13-28

Ya I know theology on Saturday
There are only 10 commandments. There are words to live by, food for thought, moral stautes, but there are only 10
My Dear Old Dad has a doctorate in Theology... I too have been thru the "mill."

[bdw0617]

so your dad can also point out that the REAL ten commandments are where I stated.

[Tucumcari]

Exodous 20 darlin. the rest of it is like I said words to live by, food for thought, but there are only 10.

[bdw0617]

oh well... don't bother me with facts



and that's just ONE discrepency.... they come up AGAIN.. even more different.. AGAIN, in Deuteronomy 5:6-21

it's right there in smack dab black and white for anyone to read... regardless... I'm athiest anyway.. but like most people with religion.. you are told something so long and then the facts become a non issue

[Sam]

Alright, you two... neutral corners. Tuc, quit poking the puppy, he might be useful later.

Any other time, I might be joining in, but I'm bracing for the virtual hurricane about to hit... we don't need a religious debate, that inherently gets ugly, going on at the same time.