Maven wrote:Then why talk up one and not the other? And for the record, distance will never be a problem with her either.
She's by the great world class turf stallion Silver Hawk (although you'd probably argue he's a good but not world class turf stallion in his day) out of a Caerleon mare, out of a Crystal Palace mare out of a Busted mare...
She didn't start until this year and in 7 starts she has two G1's and two G2's on her resume, as well as a stakes in her third start... lets not forget she's undefeated.
I guess my point to this is, her credentials are better than Tiago's and yet you talk one up like the second coming of Secretariat and show the other one only passing respect.
be not contained by forumla.. but for the most part.. rules are in place for a reason.
If my gut tells me that a horse is special, I'm not going to throw him out.
I don't get that feeling with Nashoba's key. she's beating up on weak horses.
Let's go back to the Belmont..
Let's say Hard Spun did exactly what he was supposed to do.. take off... instead of being held back like he was.. more pace... Tiago has a little more to run at... maybe he is right there with rags and curlin.
and comparing Tiago running 6th in the kentucky derby and 3rd in the Belmont..t hat it's not respectable.. is going to be a losing arugement on your behalf. espically considering how badly the pace was setup in the Belmont.
And for the record, distance will never be a problem with her either
didn't say it would be. However I still think that Lady of Venice would clean her clock at a mile and an 8th.
Let me put it this way.. Put Nashoba's key in the cash call mile.. and see what she does.
I guess my point to this is, her credentials are better than Tiago's and yet you talk one up like the second coming of Secretariat and show the other one only passing respect.
first of all, why in the world are you so worried about how I come up with what i come up with? I have my reasons and rationales that work for me. i've been at this for a while. I don't pick on you or tirade you when I step into your territory, which is breeding.. actually I do just the opposite. I try to pick your brain as much as possible.
handicapping horses is what I do. you might like AGREE with what i say.. but i can promise you, I"m not changing my picks because of a horse crush America has with a undefeated fily who has beaten no one.
Look at Curlin.. Curlin Beat absolutly NO one going into the Derby, ran a final time of 1:50 and d3 in his last prep, yet no one was higher than me on his bandwagon, and considering he went off at 5 to 1, i wasn't the only one that thought that either.
I know what I see (usually lol). Hitting the stretch in the BC F&M Turf, assuming Lady of Venice has a clear shot, I'll take my chances.
.. one of OTHER reasons I don't like Nashoba's key... Talemo has found a way to get her into trouble in damn near every race... and I'm taking about 5 horse fields.