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Horse Slaughter, the next chapter - you should read this!
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yukidragon
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We had to have our old mare put down due to health issues a few weeks ago.
Sad thing to do.
But It had to be done.
Poor old girl was so skinny I risked losing all my animals an maybe jail time to boot, If someone would have called in on me if I had kept her hanging on much longer..
I can't figure why the greedy people will race a horse until its youth/prime is gone an send it to slaughter.
That blows my mind.
As far as finding homes for healthy horses.
I do it for "everyone" I get rid of.
I can't even post what I think or feel about someone looking under my horses to see if anything is hanging down in the Off The Wall section without being banned.
But for the people in CA. I'd love too, sorry mom.lol
Sad thing to do.
But It had to be done.
Poor old girl was so skinny I risked losing all my animals an maybe jail time to boot, If someone would have called in on me if I had kept her hanging on much longer..
I can't figure why the greedy people will race a horse until its youth/prime is gone an send it to slaughter.
That blows my mind.
As far as finding homes for healthy horses.
I do it for "everyone" I get rid of.
I can't even post what I think or feel about someone looking under my horses to see if anything is hanging down in the Off The Wall section without being banned.
But for the people in CA. I'd love too, sorry mom.lol
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Shammy Davis
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winds wrote:Can we please stop wasting space on this tired argument! The equine slaughterhouses are illegal, you lost so go on to something else more productive.
winds
They are really not illegal in all states. State courts have ruled in TX and IL the existing houses should be closed but it is along way from being universally illegal. If anyone has lost it is everyone who has a horse because it's value is zero without the slaughter market. You mean something productive like keeping a suffering animal that should be put down because it makes you feel good or feeding zoo animals beef, inflating prices and causing human hardship?
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Shammy Davis
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Hey Winds, you posted:
OK for the second time. Apparently you don't like this subject so I was hoping you would suggest something to take our minds of this thread. Having been identified as a loser, I'd certainly be interested in any of your winning suggestions.
Possibly, you'd like to start a thread on the cost of feeding and caring for all these unwanted, unbandoned, and neglected horses who eventually end up at auctions and sales across the country. It would really be neat if you come up with some solutions that don't infringe upon or abate an individual's right to earn a living to support their families and maintain a healthy productive standard of living. You are right. Equine slaughter houses are history, but telling breeding farms that they have to limit productivity is not a solution. Government intervention is socialism and we know historically that has never worked, so, to say the least, as a farmer and horseman I'd be particularly interested in your take on how we are going to care for the tens, possibly hundreds, of thousands of unwanted horses who will need future grazing space in this great country of ours.
I went to your site. I see you are in the management end of the business. You've apparently been involved in racing as an asst. trainer. I'll bet you and your boss didn't lose any sleep over the loss of a losing horse by claim or other circumstances, when you realized you had another stall open to a paying, possibly winning customer. I'd be very interested to know how you'll deal today with your clients' horses who are unproductive or unprofitable. With some luck, if you can't sell the poor horse, or give it away at a loss, then hopefully you can find a rescue facility to take it. I wouldn't bet on it though. Rescue facilities are bursting at the seams.
.Can we please stop wasting space on this tired argument! The equine slaughterhouses are illegal, you lost so go on to something else more productive
OK for the second time. Apparently you don't like this subject so I was hoping you would suggest something to take our minds of this thread. Having been identified as a loser, I'd certainly be interested in any of your winning suggestions.
Possibly, you'd like to start a thread on the cost of feeding and caring for all these unwanted, unbandoned, and neglected horses who eventually end up at auctions and sales across the country. It would really be neat if you come up with some solutions that don't infringe upon or abate an individual's right to earn a living to support their families and maintain a healthy productive standard of living. You are right. Equine slaughter houses are history, but telling breeding farms that they have to limit productivity is not a solution. Government intervention is socialism and we know historically that has never worked, so, to say the least, as a farmer and horseman I'd be particularly interested in your take on how we are going to care for the tens, possibly hundreds, of thousands of unwanted horses who will need future grazing space in this great country of ours.
I went to your site. I see you are in the management end of the business. You've apparently been involved in racing as an asst. trainer. I'll bet you and your boss didn't lose any sleep over the loss of a losing horse by claim or other circumstances, when you realized you had another stall open to a paying, possibly winning customer. I'd be very interested to know how you'll deal today with your clients' horses who are unproductive or unprofitable. With some luck, if you can't sell the poor horse, or give it away at a loss, then hopefully you can find a rescue facility to take it. I wouldn't bet on it though. Rescue facilities are bursting at the seams.
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turtles11756
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Shammy Davis
I have a solution!!
Have the anti slaugher people set up regional stations where unwanted horses can come to catch a ride to this states where the government has large parcels of range.. Turn the unwanted horses loose on these public lands and then raise hell until the giovernment rounds them up and trucks them off to those "for life" holding pins ahd have the tax payers foot the bill for feeding and veting them for the rest of their lives.
In the immortal words of Gene Wilder's Young Frankenstein ;
" IT COULD WORK!!!!"
griff
I have a solution!!
Have the anti slaugher people set up regional stations where unwanted horses can come to catch a ride to this states where the government has large parcels of range.. Turn the unwanted horses loose on these public lands and then raise hell until the giovernment rounds them up and trucks them off to those "for life" holding pins ahd have the tax payers foot the bill for feeding and veting them for the rest of their lives.
In the immortal words of Gene Wilder's Young Frankenstein ;
" IT COULD WORK!!!!"
griff
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summerhorse
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casallc wrote:winds wrote:Can we please stop wasting space on this tired argument! The equine slaughterhouses are illegal, you lost so go on to something else more productive.
winds
They are really not illegal in all states. State courts have ruled in TX and IL the existing houses should be closed but it is along way from being universally illegal. If anyone has lost it is everyone who has a horse because it's value is zero without the slaughter market. You mean something productive like keeping a suffering animal that should be put down because it makes you feel good or feeding zoo animals beef, inflating prices and causing human hardship?
The slaughter market is alive and well, they just go to different plants that's all.
Every mighty oak was once an acorn that stood its ground.
"I'll bet you and your boss didn't lose any sleep over the loss of a losing horse by claim or other circumstances, when you realized you had another stall open to a paying, possibly winning customer. I'd be very interested to know how you'll deal today with your clients' horses who are unproductive or unprofitable. With some luck, if you can't sell the poor horse, or give it away at a loss, then hopefully you can find a rescue facility to take it. I wouldn't bet on it though. Rescue facilities are bursting at the seams."
Unfortunately, my site doesn't allow me to tell my whole career, it will in the future. I have worked mainly for Breeders in the capacity of Assistant Farm Manager and Farm Manager. We took great pride in all the horses we bred and if we had any that showed no potential, they came home and we found another job for them. We would sell them to show people in the area. We sold some too at the track. We'd tell the trainer to find someone that was interested in them and would sell them privately. We kept close tabs on them and (maybe we were lucky) the majority of them went to people who would use them as show horses after their racing career was over.
Some continued on in the racing business until they were 8 or 9. We would contact the trainers to find out what happened to them. We were not disappointed.
I worked as an assistant to Charlsie Cantey and we weren't a claiming outfit. The horses that were claimed off of us all had very good owners that took care of them. We had one that chipped her knee after she was claimed and her owner opted to have it operated on, unfortunately, she died on the operating table. The trainer that claimed her was crying when he came to tell us. He was devestated, not because of the monetary loss, but because he loved the filly.
I also was an assistant to two claiming trainers, I got a sour taste in my mouth for that end of the game. But, they did take extreme care of their horses and if needed would find homes for those that were slowing down.
I don't know what kind of people you have dealt with in the past or now, but I'd say that 99% of the people I've dealt with in 30 years of being in this sport were decent caring people.
If a client of mine has a horse that isn't going to make it, or is a mare that's not productive, you can bet your bottom dollar a good home will be found for that horse to live out it's life in the manner befitting of a noble animal.
I pity you..........................................
Unfortunately, my site doesn't allow me to tell my whole career, it will in the future. I have worked mainly for Breeders in the capacity of Assistant Farm Manager and Farm Manager. We took great pride in all the horses we bred and if we had any that showed no potential, they came home and we found another job for them. We would sell them to show people in the area. We sold some too at the track. We'd tell the trainer to find someone that was interested in them and would sell them privately. We kept close tabs on them and (maybe we were lucky) the majority of them went to people who would use them as show horses after their racing career was over.
Some continued on in the racing business until they were 8 or 9. We would contact the trainers to find out what happened to them. We were not disappointed.
I worked as an assistant to Charlsie Cantey and we weren't a claiming outfit. The horses that were claimed off of us all had very good owners that took care of them. We had one that chipped her knee after she was claimed and her owner opted to have it operated on, unfortunately, she died on the operating table. The trainer that claimed her was crying when he came to tell us. He was devestated, not because of the monetary loss, but because he loved the filly.
I also was an assistant to two claiming trainers, I got a sour taste in my mouth for that end of the game. But, they did take extreme care of their horses and if needed would find homes for those that were slowing down.
I don't know what kind of people you have dealt with in the past or now, but I'd say that 99% of the people I've dealt with in 30 years of being in this sport were decent caring people.
If a client of mine has a horse that isn't going to make it, or is a mare that's not productive, you can bet your bottom dollar a good home will be found for that horse to live out it's life in the manner befitting of a noble animal.
I pity you..........................................
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halfbridled
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What if a very small percentage of winnings were contribited to a euthanasia fund for all racers? Or if the registration fee for each horse included a small fee for euthanasia of that horse that could be collected when time came given proper documentation?
People who do the whole "where will the excess horses go" bit - have you considered that many rescues have to go buy the horse from the auction or the KB or that some trainers demand money for the horses they are trying to get rid of? All that $$ could go into much better things like adding stalls, feeding horses, vet care etc..It adds up big time! Maybe they could not save all of them but it certainly would make their lives easier. For the "starving horses" argument - what about enforcing the law? It is against the law to neglect your horse in every area I know of and I have seen it enforced. Shall we say slaughter is necessary because some owners will break the law?
Someone brought up that the lay person is just as responsible as the breeder and trainer and I agree from what I have observed. So many people get horses for a novelty and when that novelty wears off what do you have but some sorry SOB you brought into your care that cannot possibly fix the situation you have put him into? Then they put an ad in the paper for "free horse" and who knows who picks the horse up. I know the KBers do look for free horses online and in the paper. The sad thing is some of the owners honestly do not know that their horse just got sold to slaughter! I saw an ad in the paper recently - free horse must go by Nov 1st I am having a baby.
My my..never heard that one before. Usually the dogs get that line.
What about the estimate that 30,000 horses are stolen each year for slaughter? If there was no market then you are down to 60,000 horses that were sent for slaughter. If the estimate that 7 percent are infirm and need euthanasia then you have about 56,000 which is 1000 and change per state. Balance that with how many horses die every year. And that is not even weeding the TB from the many, many QH. Eliminate them and what do you have? Less than 20 percent of the slaughtered horses are TB so 12000?
I just think that between slaughter and the huge pet overpopulation and disposal issue in this country we have taught people that it is OK to throw away a dog or a cat or a horse when it is no longer convienent to deal with it.
As a sarcastic side note- maybe we should ship the dog and the cat meat to China too and be done with it. Pesticides and all.
That'll teach em to poison our food. 
People who do the whole "where will the excess horses go" bit - have you considered that many rescues have to go buy the horse from the auction or the KB or that some trainers demand money for the horses they are trying to get rid of? All that $$ could go into much better things like adding stalls, feeding horses, vet care etc..It adds up big time! Maybe they could not save all of them but it certainly would make their lives easier. For the "starving horses" argument - what about enforcing the law? It is against the law to neglect your horse in every area I know of and I have seen it enforced. Shall we say slaughter is necessary because some owners will break the law?
Someone brought up that the lay person is just as responsible as the breeder and trainer and I agree from what I have observed. So many people get horses for a novelty and when that novelty wears off what do you have but some sorry SOB you brought into your care that cannot possibly fix the situation you have put him into? Then they put an ad in the paper for "free horse" and who knows who picks the horse up. I know the KBers do look for free horses online and in the paper. The sad thing is some of the owners honestly do not know that their horse just got sold to slaughter! I saw an ad in the paper recently - free horse must go by Nov 1st I am having a baby.
My my..never heard that one before. Usually the dogs get that line.
What about the estimate that 30,000 horses are stolen each year for slaughter? If there was no market then you are down to 60,000 horses that were sent for slaughter. If the estimate that 7 percent are infirm and need euthanasia then you have about 56,000 which is 1000 and change per state. Balance that with how many horses die every year. And that is not even weeding the TB from the many, many QH. Eliminate them and what do you have? Less than 20 percent of the slaughtered horses are TB so 12000?
I just think that between slaughter and the huge pet overpopulation and disposal issue in this country we have taught people that it is OK to throw away a dog or a cat or a horse when it is no longer convienent to deal with it.
As a sarcastic side note- maybe we should ship the dog and the cat meat to China too and be done with it. Pesticides and all.
That'll teach em to poison our food. Interesting mix of arguments here. Just this past Monday this horse was saved (yes, he was saved as his 'new' owner was a meatman- the horse was headed to slaughter).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/marlifarm/Ilovemyowner1.jpg
In the designated killpen wearing a halter that reads 'I Love My Owner'.
It's a curious question as to whether or not this horses former owner knew the possibility of the horse being bought by a meatman?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/marlifarm/Ilovemyowner1.jpg
In the designated killpen wearing a halter that reads 'I Love My Owner'.
It's a curious question as to whether or not this horses former owner knew the possibility of the horse being bought by a meatman?
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Laurierace
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Marli wrote:Interesting mix of arguments here. Just this past Monday this horse was saved (yes, he was saved as his 'new' owner was a meatman- the horse was headed to slaughter).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/marlifarm/Ilovemyowner1.jpg
In the designated killpen wearing a halter that reads 'I Love My Owner'.
It's a curious question as to whether or not this horses former owner knew the possibility of the horse being bought by a meatman?
Wow does that bring back memories! I saw a horse in the kill pen at NH with the same type of halter only this one said "I LOVE MY HORSE" on it. The irony totally floored me. In your case, I imagine the horse really did love his owner, the owner just didn't love him back enough to insure that something like that never happened to him. My guess is he will love his new owner even more. Keep up the good work!