Jackson's Full Dislosure would be good.....

[Rokeby Forever]

Joe Cantey had as much integrity as anyone in this sport (except for Mr Miller, of course) and he had Winds work for him for years. Joe Cantey also wouldn't hire a numbskull that didn't know his/her way around a horse - just look at the people that came out of that barn after he retired. So, Cassalc, stop sounding stupid - I've known Winds for an awfully long time and she's forgotten more about horses than most people know - and she's better looking than most, too!

[docjocoy]

I don't know where you've been but, usually, the consignors are "agents". If you don't plan on being a consignor your future as a bloodstock agent is going to be limited (as if your lack of knowledge of the business was not limitation enough). Happy private treaty sales.

P.S. I don't think you’re that good at sales - you haven't convinced me.

casallc,
Sorry you haven't noticed, but Winds is a very idealistic breath of fresh air. To me, the whole industry, top to bottom, is based on some very sketchy rules and regulations, from drugs, drug testing, interstate track regulation or lack thereof, questionable gambling practices and mob involvement in the northeast, slap-on-the-hand trainer suspensions, I could go on. But Winds, in her own small way, is trying to make a difference. Will it help, who knows, maybe, but maybe it will at least get someone thnking about it.

The Sales Integrity Task force is another one of those attempts at enforcing some regulations or rules on another area of racing that once again has not much regulation. It will be hard to enforce because there is not an SEC of horse racing, or a Commissioner of horse racing. And since there is no enforcing governing body of racing, each segment tries to make up some rules to mollify a public that really can't understand why there are no rules. And some of the old guard would just like to keep the status quo. There are many big brick walls out there.

To be in favor of some rules is a good thing. I wish the industry had a very strong governing body. I hope that will happen. I don't know how to make that happen, but Winds with her grass roots campaign, letter writing, and perseverance won't hurt. But to suggest that she doesn't know what she is doing seemed like a low blow to me.

[casallc]

You know nothing about me. If you did, you sure wouldn't be saying all the negatives about me.

I have never in any of my business dealings, or when working for someone done anything to mar my credibility as a horseperson or integrity.

Apparantly all you want to do is say negative comments, I've read most of them since I've been on this forum. You have never written anything that says you are an honest, person. Maybe you are and have had nothing but contact with the dishonest people in the sport. This is what I'd like to change. If you think that anytime someone does the right thing is lying then may God Bless your soul. You need help.

I know I am an honest person, who is passionate about horses and this sport. I have always done the right thing and will in the future. If that is bull to you, may God Have Mercy On Your Soul.

I know I am right.

winds

You're right I know nothing about you. All I know is you fired the first shot in the insult war and now you claim to be the aggrieved party. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Just because you make brags about how great and knowledgeable you are it doesn't carry any weight with me and it damned sure doesn't give you any right to hurl insults, as you've found I can insult in return. I am just as entitled to my opinions as you are but somehow you don't seem to think so. That is all they are opinions. Get off your high horse.

[Georgerz]

I just re-read the whole thread, and the one that has made derisive and libelous postings has been Winds. Cassallc just responded to that. I don't think that this is the proper place to attack someones honesty and integrity.

[casallc]

Joe Cantey had as much integrity as anyone in this sport (except for Mr Miller, of course) and he had Winds work for him for years. Joe Cantey also wouldn't hire a numbskull that didn't know his/her way around a horse - just look at the people that came out of that barn after he retired. So, Cassalc, stop sounding stupid - I've known Winds for an awfully long time and she's forgotten more about horses than most people know - and she's better looking than most, too!

Read the progress of this thread. You will see that this pillar of integrity didn't have a problem questioning mine without provocation. She may know how to rub a horse but doesn't have a clue about marketing (a quality that is imperative as a bloodstock agent).

Example: http://www.stablewind.com/

[winds]

I don't know where you've been but, usually, the consignors are "agents". If you don't plan on being a consignor your future as a bloodstock agent is going to be limited (as if your lack of knowledge of the business was not limitation enough). Happy private treaty sales.

P.S. I don't think you’re that good at sales - you haven't convinced me.

This is what I responded to. Who threw the first shot?

Certainly not me!

winds

[Georgerz]

Winds: You fired the first shot. Look at the first page of the thread:

"Don't worry casallc I don't think anyone with honesty and integrity would want to do business with you anyway."

This is what you wrote, without any provocation. I took exception right away, because your comment struck me as libel.

[winds]

And some of the things you post and casllc has posted aren't. I only respond to provacations, you can read it any way you want.

It certainly wasn't libelous. But what he has said about and to me is.

winds

ps - don't ask me to pull up the nasty things you have said, I've got better things to do with my time.

[winds]

When people start touting honesty and integrity, I get worried and put my hand on my wallet. The Sales Integrity Task Force is an example of that, I'm afraid what that means is the elite blue-blood network will reap the benefits but the common guy is on his own. It is hard to legislate integrity, it will manifest itself without the ability to hire the best attorney.


You don't think that wasn't aimed at me??????????? You don't think I have the right to defend myself. I'm sorry, he threw the first shot, all I did was defend myself and answer him.

winds

[Rokeby Forever]

She may know how to rub a horse but doesn't have a clue about marketing (a quality that is imperative as a bloodstock agent).

It's the marketing part of this game that's the most dishonest and disingenuous. If Winds fails as a marketer, I think that says that she's a pretty straight up person. I guess you prefer to live in spin zones, Casallc.

Why does a buying agent need to be a marketer, anyway? It's the sellers that make every goose out to be a swan.

Cassallc - I've read the entire thread and I wonder - yeah, Winds did and still rubs horses if she's needed. What have you been rubbing lately?

[Georgerz]

Winds: How was that directed to you? Are you the Sales Integrity Task Force? That what the post was about.

[casallc]

And some of the things you post and casllc has posted aren't. I only respond to provacations, you can read it any way you want.

It certainly wasn't libelous. But what he has said about and to me is.

winds

ps - don't ask me to pull up the nasty things you have said, I've got better things to do with my time.

My daddy told me never to argue with a fool because they will only drag you down to their level, then take advantage with their experience.
Therefore, in respect to Daddy....

[casallc]

She may know how to rub a horse but doesn't have a clue about marketing (a quality that is imperative as a bloodstock agent).

It's the marketing part of this game that's the most dishonest and disingenuous. If Winds fails as a marketer, I think that says that she's a pretty straight up person. I guess you prefer to live in spin zones, Casallc.

Why does a buying agent need to be a marketer, anyway? It's the sellers that make every goose out to be a swan.

Cassallc - I've read the entire thread and I wonder - yeah, Winds did and still rubs horses if she's needed. What have you been rubbing lately?

My money.

[nythoroughbredvz]

well I only know a few individuals that post here, I come here to ask questions, get oppinions, and hopefully knowledge and facts from time to time... but as far as the racing industry is concerned if one of the requirements to manage racing from any standpoint was to be honnest and passionate about the sport and with the horses comes first attitude.. then it is people like Winds that would hopefully turn this sport around.. there wouldnt be horses running on bad surfaces living in ran down backstretch stalls. track workers and grooms living in backside housing that discraces them and the sport... and maybe there wouldnt be a little kid excited about seeing the horses race to have to watch one break a leg, and be pute down behind a plywood curtain for their first horse racing experience. as far as sales if im ever looking to buy something i look for someone that gives you your space, treats you with respect seems genuinly honnest and isnt counting dollars in their heads as they are talking to you.. and again I think winds would be a someone you would feel comfortable dealing with..also in my oppinion anyone caught selling a horse after a sale that didnt get sold should be restricted from entering another horse in a sale, as well as the owner too! an agent shouldnt represent the owner and buyer, would you sell a house through someone that brings works both sides of the fence? i had this happen last month .. had a real esstate agent come appraise my house gave me a price he thought it should sell for, then before he left he said, after we sighn the papers i have a friend in NJ i will call he is always looking for places like this! i thought boy thats about 70-80 thousand less than i thought i could sell it for.. so i had a old friend come that is semi-retired from owning a real estate company and low and behold that guy tried scamming me! i saw him yesterday and told him i had a offer for the price he gave me plus another 65,000... as far as casallc i dont know you so i wont comment i look at everything i read here in a possitive manner and take thing for what they are. the horse racing industry is dying slowly. NYRA got their tracks for 30 years.. big deal! they have been around how many years? it use to be the sport of kings, then it became a sport everyone could enjoy. the way people are ruining the sport it will once again become the sport of kings! anyone got a throne?

[Thunder]

Winds has been upfront with me in the past and I value her opinion.