Jackson's Full Dislosure would be good.....

[Rokeby Forever]

Are all used car salesmen crooks? No, neither are all horse traders but the thing with stereotypes is that there is a basis of partial truth that forms the stereotype.

I'd like to take a moment to say something positive about the selling agents in this game:

Nah, not really....they're slime.

[winds]

Some people (like myself) worked for small private farms and recommended some nice horses that either weren't bought by the owner or when they listened ended up making money with the purchase.

Two that the owner didn't listen were: Dronette, in foal with her second foal, that foal ended up being Thirty Eight Go Go. The other was Computer's Choice, he was in a 2yr old in training sale at Timonium. Now they were long ago, but they are two that my owner let pass.

One I did advise him to get and he bought her was a mare named Bella Bandita, she ended up being an every other year producer, but when he needed cash, he'd sell her babies and made money. We got her for $5,300 carrying her first named foal. She was 10 at the time.

I also advised a partner of mine a few years ago to buy the mare Wee Like U (for less than 10k) we sold one foal for 30k and the next one (by Austinpower (Jpn) we sold for 35k. Not to long after that sale he passed with bone cancer. His son never listened to me after Joe's passing and I was out of the picture from that point.

I never used my name because I was working for and partnered with men with big egos who wanted their name in print. I went along with it, who was I to say different?

So, that is a little of what I'm capable of doing. I might not have bought for the high and mighty of this sport, but I did alright for the ones I did by for.

Roke, you're calling me a slime????????

winds

[Rokeby Forever]

Roke, you're calling me a slime???????? winds

Winds...you're everything that an agent should be. I meant the other 99.99% of them. LOL!

[winds]

Roke,

Ok, I feel better now.

winds

[Foggytrip]

Buying and selling of racehorses makes my stomach turn. Just thinking of some of the bullshit Ive seen makes me want to go work in the family business and never watch another horserace. Ive been jerked off more times than I can count, stolen from, lied to, taken advantage of, etc. This game needs some serious change all around the board. From the clowns who train these animals, to the people who sell them, to the scumbags that own them.

[winds]

Foggy,

It's a shame all of those things happened to you. Unfortunately, that seem to be the norm. I've watched it happen so many times and hate it. If more people were out there doing what they are being paid to do, which is buy the best horse for your client at the best price (not most expensive, but what the horse is worth or less ). So that the client has a chance at making money from the horse, instead of worrying about their own pocket, there would be more people willing to stay in the sport and bring their friends in too.

Please don't judge all based on those you have dealt with. We're not all like that.

winds

[Rokeby Forever]

We've all been hosed in this business at some point, and it's our own fault.

To acquire any type of license, usually a course and a test grade are required. Driver's license, professional licenses, tests to acquire a degree in school - but when it comes to racehorse ownership, there's nothing - and how many people take the time to learn the business before they get an owner's license?

I always thought it should be mandatory. I think it would help owners and trainers to think along the same wavelength (or help an owner to choose a trainer that share the same philosophies) and it would help in the buying process if more owners actually understood value and what they're looking at - not to just rely on some numbskull looking for a commission.

[winds]

Roke,

You're correct. One of the first things I was told when I entered into this fine sport of thoroughbred racing/breeding was: As smart as owners are in their own business, when it comes to horses they unzip their head, take their brain out and set it on a post. Then they make decisions regarding horses.

Hopefully, that is changing and more owners are studying and learning about racing/breeding. That will help them in making informative and correct decisions in all aspects of the sport.

winds

[Foggytrip]

Thats right Roke and Wind, we have all been banged in this industry at sometime. Its disturbing to say the least.

Owners shouldnt have to learn anything about the game, if they want to throw their money away godbless them. Like I said, from the buffoons who train them, to the scum that own them, to the swine that sell them, this industry is full of people who looking to snatch you for a few bucks.

[Sysonby]

Foggy, your post reminds me of all the things that are said about contractors and lawyers and mechanics and realtors...

Case in point, in the last year, a roofer told me I needed a brand new roof (I don't), a tire place told me I needed all new shocks (I didn't); and another mechanic volunteered that I needed work on my transmission (I didn't). Added together, I would have been in the hole about $20,000 for things I didn't need--which incidentally I confirmed with other professionals.

Bad people exist outside of horse racing.

[Foggytrip]

My point is too many bad people exist in the game. I know there are bad people in any industry, this industry has an exorbitant amount of swine

[Green Hills]

Thats right Roke and Wind, we have all been banged in this industry at sometime. Its disturbing to say the least.

Owners shouldnt have to learn anything about the game, if they want to throw their money away godbless them. Like I said, from the buffoons who train them, to the scum that own them, to the swine that sell them, this industry is full of people who looking to snatch you for a few bucks.

WOW!!! I think I've been called "scum" and "swine" in 2 quick breaths...
We own and we do sell (or try to sell.) And the idea is not to give away and lose money...not to cheat, but it is a business and if no one makes anything...there will be no business...period. Remember this...it takes money to feed them. I guess you work for nothing? Just curious...

[Foggytrip]

Its a blanket statement, not directed at anyone in general. However, if the shoe fits wear it.

No, I do not work for free, but Ive never lied, decieved, or cheated anyone, with the exception of a few ex girlfriends. People who engage in these practices in business setting, whether it be horses or otherwise, are true swine.

[Maven]

Interesting... so it's ok to cheat and deceive when they only thing being hurt is someone else's feelings but not ok when it's your money?

cheaters and liars are slime whether they practice it professionally or personally... as you said... if the shoe fits...

[Green Hills]

Its a blanket statement, not directed at anyone in general. However, if the shoe fits wear it.

No, I do not work for free, but Ive never lied, decieved, or cheated anyone, with the exception of a few ex girlfriends. People who engage in these practices in business setting, whether it be horses or otherwise, are true swine.

A blanket statement??? And so that makes it ok?? And because it was "a few ex girlfriends" that makes you honorable??? Imagine that...Jeez...obviously the loss by dishonest means of money is way more important than your dishonest treatment of people...since it didn't cost them money, only, perhaps, some hurt and/or unhappiness. Well...now the priorities are clear. In my opinion, hurting someone personally is way more reprehensible than worrying about the loss of some money. But hey...that's just my blanket statement.