Any thoughts on Suances as a regional sire?

[tbrace]

Any thoughts on this new California sire? Yearlings sold pretty well, if

buyers were real.

The babies were knockouts.

It will be interesting to see how they run next year.

[yukidragon]

I like High Hat an Habitat in his pedigree among others.

[tbrace]

Thanks, Yuk,

He does present an interesting pedigree.

[Maven]

How did this horse end up in Cali? Great pedigree on him but ALL turf. He looks pretty good from the picture, as well.

[Rokeby Forever]

That turf pedigree might LOVE the Cali artificials.

[Sysonby]

How did this horse end up in Cali? Great pedigree on him but ALL turf. He looks pretty good from the picture, as well.

His owner is Jed Cohen who raced him California as well. I'm sure he was originally purchased to run on turf races out here.

[Maven]

I think he could be a nice coup for California if you breed for the turf or his turf breeding translates onto poly. He certainly had more track class than most regional stallions, regardless of location.

[Sysonby]

The yearling results sure didn't prop up his recent weanlings--two of them RNA'd at $900 last week.

[tbrace]

True, Sysonby,

But these two were left over from when Cardiff stood him, and they were pretty bad specimens, according to several who saw them.


I don't know, but he kind of looks like a nice horse, especially right now in California.

There just isn't much choice.

We had high hopes for Marino Marini, but the buyers didn't like them.
I think they could still surprize folks though, when they begin to run.

[docjocoy]

I saw Marino Marini last month and was disappointed he did not look like his picture. I had hoped perhaps he might be a plan "B" for one of my mares, but he was a little underimpressive in person.

[fastappy]

Some of the comments seem a little superficial in that he was a very good race horse. O.K. that certainly has some signifigance as passing on the racing ability is highly inheritable (Though Gentlemen & Behrens may argue that point), but I thought Maven & Roke would provide an analysis of his dams family or whether his sire, is a sire of sires, etc. I mean what would make him a better prospect or equal to say Good Journey, Del Mar Show, Redatorre, etc.?

Not trying to anger the lions but where's the beef?

[Maven]

Well, to me, a regional stallion is that much more attractive when they actually have a legitimate top class race record... he has an extremely good Group 1 win to his credit.

Pedigree wise, although his female family can look a little lite at first glance, there has been consistent stakes production through his first 4 dams.

Suances is tail-female to Brown Bess... branches of Brown Bess that are better known to US owners are

Some More (Ouija Board),
Moon Creek (Mr. Purple, Henbit, Fantastic Fellow, Queens Court Queen, etc.) Olmec (Navajo Princess, Dancing Brave, Jolypha, Green Darling)
Dunce Cap (Johnny Appleseed, Late Act, Late Bloomer, Ends Well, Fred Astaire, etc.)
Beaver Street (Native Street, Royal and Regal, Regal and Royal, Fire the Groom, Stravinsky, Read the Footnotes, Seekers Gold, Dowsing, Street Dancer, River Special, Apelia, More Happy, Saoirse, Fleetstreet Dancer, etc.)

It's also worth noting that Suances is from the branch that produced good European stallion Ela-Mana-Mou.

Furthermore, from a strictly pedigree-breeding angle, he brings in lines of some usually hard to find families like Rare Perfume through Be My Guest, Khara through Habitat, Selene close up via High Line, and Red God via Yellow God.

It's also worth noting that his broodmare sire, High Line, is the broodmare sire of established Thunder Gulch and of Leroidesanimaux. For what it's worth, I know that Stonewall is looking for Thunder Gulch mares for Leroi to double up on the High Line. Suances presents that option for the Thunder Gulch mares in Cali or other lines of High Line.

I would also take advantage of the Red God via a son we never see this side of the pond. Doubling up on Red God can be accomplished through his son Blushing Groom.

There's a lot to like pedigree-wise and some interesting linebreeding options you cant really find elsewhere, especially in California.

[fastappy]

Thanks Maven, that was some very good information and interesting at that. My thoughts were exactly as you mentioned the bottom being a little light, but you brought out the substantive value of the stallions breeding. Very good!

[Sysonby]

I'm not sure I'd write off Marino Marini so quickly. Very few of them were sold (which might mean something in and of itself--I saw some nice ones at the farm) and things don't work exactly the same way in California as in Kentucky. California buyers like proven sires except with the artificial surface mandate no one quite knows what that is at this point and its making things topsy turvy.

If you were considering a Storm Cat line sire, I would think that you'd have to look at Tribal Rule. He's not one I would think would do well on polytrack but you can't argue with his success.