Racing thoroughbreds to death???
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Hi all
I just wanted to let everyone know that CANTER Ohio is independent of CANTER Michigan, and we had no part in the story. We do know the trainer that was interviewed and we have had our own problems with him in the past. As a result of complaints received, earlier this year we chose not to work with him any longer. He was duly notified in writing that we would no longer accept listings to advertise his horses for sale. Our placement/rescue program, as always, continues to be a safe haven for his horses and any other horses at the track. That's how we chose to deal with the situation.
CANTER Ohio has worked very hard to establish ourselves as a trusted resource on the backside. We greatly value our friendships at the track and would never do anything to jeopardize those relationships.
Hope this helps.
Chris
I just wanted to let everyone know that CANTER Ohio is independent of CANTER Michigan, and we had no part in the story. We do know the trainer that was interviewed and we have had our own problems with him in the past. As a result of complaints received, earlier this year we chose not to work with him any longer. He was duly notified in writing that we would no longer accept listings to advertise his horses for sale. Our placement/rescue program, as always, continues to be a safe haven for his horses and any other horses at the track. That's how we chose to deal with the situation.
CANTER Ohio has worked very hard to establish ourselves as a trusted resource on the backside. We greatly value our friendships at the track and would never do anything to jeopardize those relationships.
Hope this helps.
Chris
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No Chris.. that just doesn't help.. We all know that trainer ... the problem wasn't just with the interview of the one trainer.. Its the WHOLE story..
Canter (MI) dug a huge hole, now they can just crawl in and enjoy...
I have no problem with the other Canter Groups in the other States...
Michigan is where I live and raise horses, and they are who I have a problem with.
Its sad... Even the Racing Commissioner had to issue a press release because of all the NEGATIVE stuff that Canter MI has started.
http://www.michigan.gov/mda/0,1607,7-125--179900--,00.html
ORC is Committed to Keeping Horses Safe
The Office of Racing Commissioner (ORC) is the State regulatory agency with the statutory mandate to oversee horse racing in Michigan. The Horse Racing Law of 1995 authorizes the ORC to carry out its charge and the ORC Administrative Rules detail those responsibilities.
However, the ORC believes horse racing in Michigan is about more than just laws and rules. The ORC values both the people involved in the sport and just as importantly, we respect the horses who are the athletes. A section of the Administrative Rules specifies what is considered an acceptable level of health for a horse to race. This is where our trained team of veterinarians, stewards (judges) and investigators take their responsibility to protect the safety of the horses to heart.
A night at one of our racetracks is like going to any other sporting event. You are there to cheer for strong, skilled athletes to do what they do best. It is heartbreaking to see one of the horses falter, fall or become injured, especially if it could have been prevented. That is why the ORC takes its role seriously before, during and after each race. Our employees are at the tracks, both behind the scenes in the barns, as well as watching every race to observe the horses' performances. If one of our Commission Veterinarians sees something that that indicates a horse isn't healthy enough to race, the horse doesn't race - plain and simple.
The ORC has a special hotline - 800/973- 5000 - that you can call to report an unusual incident or to make a complaint about something at any one of our racetracks. You can also call our office at 517/335-1420 and speak with someone directly. For more information about the ORC and Michigan horse racing, visit us on the web at www.michigan.gov/horseracing .
Canter (MI) dug a huge hole, now they can just crawl in and enjoy...
I have no problem with the other Canter Groups in the other States...
Michigan is where I live and raise horses, and they are who I have a problem with.
Its sad... Even the Racing Commissioner had to issue a press release because of all the NEGATIVE stuff that Canter MI has started.
http://www.michigan.gov/mda/0,1607,7-125--179900--,00.html
ORC is Committed to Keeping Horses Safe
The Office of Racing Commissioner (ORC) is the State regulatory agency with the statutory mandate to oversee horse racing in Michigan. The Horse Racing Law of 1995 authorizes the ORC to carry out its charge and the ORC Administrative Rules detail those responsibilities.
However, the ORC believes horse racing in Michigan is about more than just laws and rules. The ORC values both the people involved in the sport and just as importantly, we respect the horses who are the athletes. A section of the Administrative Rules specifies what is considered an acceptable level of health for a horse to race. This is where our trained team of veterinarians, stewards (judges) and investigators take their responsibility to protect the safety of the horses to heart.
A night at one of our racetracks is like going to any other sporting event. You are there to cheer for strong, skilled athletes to do what they do best. It is heartbreaking to see one of the horses falter, fall or become injured, especially if it could have been prevented. That is why the ORC takes its role seriously before, during and after each race. Our employees are at the tracks, both behind the scenes in the barns, as well as watching every race to observe the horses' performances. If one of our Commission Veterinarians sees something that that indicates a horse isn't healthy enough to race, the horse doesn't race - plain and simple.
The ORC has a special hotline - 800/973- 5000 - that you can call to report an unusual incident or to make a complaint about something at any one of our racetracks. You can also call our office at 517/335-1420 and speak with someone directly. For more information about the ORC and Michigan horse racing, visit us on the web at www.michigan.gov/horseracing .
somebody has to "give a crap" what happen's to these horses when there racing day's are over, The secret is out, the public Now know's what the real deal is for these horses, all too often a trip to the slaughter-house, a few bad apples? more like there are only a few "good" apples...and please, I have gotten horses off the track and in less than a week I had them out on trail, and the people who adopted them would disagree if you told them they were not their "pets" one woman I adopted too can be found every afternoon "weather permitting" relaxing in her hammock, and her Tb. rescue is right there laying down next to her.
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You've got to be kidding me with your post. Yes, the public knows that the slaughter house is an option.... but it is with EVERY BREED including the horses that are bred because the backyard person thinks it would "be fun to have a foal." Perhaps my view of the track life is tainted because the people who work hard for a living at Arlington Park and Hawthorne really care about their horses in general. I have taken horses to the track to race, layed-up horses during breaks between meets at Hawthorne and I have taken horses who were done racing. All these horses, and it has been hundreds now, have always been well cared for by the trainers. Even the horses who are done racing due to injury... do you know that I have met EVERY TRAINER who I have taken horses from? I think that is saying somehting about this industry. Have I walked down shed row and seen a horse that looked really interesting (because I am an eventer) and thought, boy, too bad you're not in my barn (only because of my OWN interests and thought he'd be a cool eventer)? ABSOLUTELY... BUT YOU WILL NEVER (I reapeat, NEVER) see me chearing because the horse did NOT hit the board! Give me a break! Have I taken some horses with injuries that limit their athletic career and think too bad? Absolutely, but I don't feel badly for them.. they are ATHLETES and they were giving their all. Perhaps I feel this way because I was an olympic level qualifing marathon runner, but at the age of 33, I am done as an athlete because my knees are done. I don't have people feeling sorry for me and I don't feel sorry for myself because my "career" is over.
This industry has provided a lot for many people. If you don't like it... leave it alone. Why not invest your interest in ending puppy mill farms and the like? Look at how many dogs and cats are put to sleep every day... kind of the same as the slaughter house: but wait, they are then "disposed of" in a non-slaughter way.
Horses are magnificent: period. There is beauty and grace in everyone of them and some have careers that are different than we may expect our "equine athletes" to have, but that's what makes the world go around. To those of you who have read this post, sorry for the length: I have not posted much and don't usually feel the need to do so, but this newscast was uncalled for IMO.,
You've got to be kidding me with your post. Yes, the public knows that the slaughter house is an option.... but it is with EVERY BREED including the horses that are bred because the backyard person thinks it would "be fun to have a foal." Perhaps my view of the track life is tainted because the people who work hard for a living at Arlington Park and Hawthorne really care about their horses in general. I have taken horses to the track to race, layed-up horses during breaks between meets at Hawthorne and I have taken horses who were done racing. All these horses, and it has been hundreds now, have always been well cared for by the trainers. Even the horses who are done racing due to injury... do you know that I have met EVERY TRAINER who I have taken horses from? I think that is saying somehting about this industry. Have I walked down shed row and seen a horse that looked really interesting (because I am an eventer) and thought, boy, too bad you're not in my barn (only because of my OWN interests and thought he'd be a cool eventer)? ABSOLUTELY... BUT YOU WILL NEVER (I reapeat, NEVER) see me chearing because the horse did NOT hit the board! Give me a break! Have I taken some horses with injuries that limit their athletic career and think too bad? Absolutely, but I don't feel badly for them.. they are ATHLETES and they were giving their all. Perhaps I feel this way because I was an olympic level qualifing marathon runner, but at the age of 33, I am done as an athlete because my knees are done. I don't have people feeling sorry for me and I don't feel sorry for myself because my "career" is over.
This industry has provided a lot for many people. If you don't like it... leave it alone. Why not invest your interest in ending puppy mill farms and the like? Look at how many dogs and cats are put to sleep every day... kind of the same as the slaughter house: but wait, they are then "disposed of" in a non-slaughter way.
Horses are magnificent: period. There is beauty and grace in everyone of them and some have careers that are different than we may expect our "equine athletes" to have, but that's what makes the world go around. To those of you who have read this post, sorry for the length: I have not posted much and don't usually feel the need to do so, but this newscast was uncalled for IMO.,
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Not to be crass Trackgal but around here and in most cities/suburbs that "pet" will typically cost a newbie owner $5000-7500 a year (board, feed, vet, shoes) and the idea that you think that you can take a horse off the track and go trail riding the next week is making my head hurt. Accidents happen on my trails which can involve cars, trucks, wildlife and helicopters (to lift the horse out of the ravine). No joke--it seems like every year someone is killed on my trails. Implying that horses are something like cats and dogs and retiring one from the track is like picking up a pound puppy does the horse a tremendous disservice IMO.
Seriously I wonder how many horses "rescued" from the track (to use your terminology) go from the frying pan into the fire when the well meaning owners aren't equipped to handle their new charges financially or experience wise. Has anyone ever done follow up on these horses?
Seriously I wonder how many horses "rescued" from the track (to use your terminology) go from the frying pan into the fire when the well meaning owners aren't equipped to handle their new charges financially or experience wise. Has anyone ever done follow up on these horses?
Statement From CANTER MI
CANTER FACTS AND INFORMATION
A great opportunity exists to make Thoroughbred Racing in Michigan a leader in the horse racing industry and the best at caring for thoroughbreds after their racing careers are over.
At Great Lakes Downs in Muskegon, the “sport of kings” was degraded by a few unscrupulous owners/trainers who became the “jesters” of horseracing. Their laughter at the sport and their disregard for the well being of these magnificent athletes, thoroughbred racehorses, demean the horse racing industry. These few irresponsible owners/trainers should not be allowed to participate in the sport of kings in Michigan or anywhere else.
If Michigan approves the new Thoroughbred racetrack near Detroit, The Pinnacle, owned by Jerry Campbell and Henry Mast, Michigan Thoroughbred racehorse owners and trainers...and CANTER… want this to be a HIGH QUALITY, above board, thoroughbred racetrack that provides the best in thoroughbred horse racing, comparable to Kentucky, New York and higher quality racetracks. Michigan can set the standard in making thoroughbred rehabilitation and retirement a priority. In California, Thoroughbred owners created a California Retirement Management Account, or CARMA, which is funded by a .3% (point 3 percent) of purses for all meets to pay for ex-racehorse rehabilitation. Arizona charges $1.00 per start for each horse, which is paid to the HBPA to distribute for racehorse rehabilitation. Michigan thoroughbred owners can become the leaders and the best when it comes to horse racing AND rehabilitation of ex-racehorses, by establishing a rehabilitation and retirement fund.
Racetrack injuries to thoroughbred racehorses are a fact of the sport. Hundreds of thoroughbreds, injured on the racetrack, that come to CANTER, result in CANTER being the largest client at Michigan State University Veterinary Teaching Hospital with $100,000 worth of surgeries every year on CANTER thoroughbreds. All of the injured thoroughbreds are the result of racetrack injuries.
CANTER PAYS for surgeries at MSU… CANTER PAYS for vets, farriers, transport, feed & grain, boarding, rehabilitation, retraining, website, marketing, and even euthanasia when necessary. CANTER MAKES NO MONEY on thoroughbreds. Why does CANTER continue if its makes no money? CANTER believes every thoroughbred racehorse should have a chance at a new life after it crosses the finish line for the last time.
The MAJORITY of thoroughbred racehorse owners and trainers retire their horse immediately following a serious injury and most contact CANTER to take the horse into the CANTER program so it can receive life saving surgery, rehabilitation, retraining, and adoption into an approved non-race home.. all at no cost to the owner. Most owners/trainers want and receive pictures and descriptions of their former racehorse from its new owners. CANTER has thousands of success stories.
CANTER is the ONLY equine rescue/rehabilitation organization in the country that accepts ANY thoroughbred off the racetrack, regardless of injury.. and CANTER does NOT have a “closed door” policy because there is no room for a thoroughbred off the track… CANTER makes room!
CANTER is an all-volunteer 501©(3) organization with a $250,000 a year budget devoted to thoroughbreds. No salaries are paid, but active CANTER board members who devote hours each day to help thoroughbreds, include: a business owner, attorney, Chief of Staff at MSU Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Equine Veterinarian, oncology nurse, equine trainer, broadcaster, computer specialist and educator.
CANTER depends on donations, grants and rehabilitated thoroughbred adoptions to meet its $250,000 a year budget. 100% of revenue goes to help thoroughbreds. An MSU fund, the Equine Rehabilitation Fund, accepts donations to help pay for MSU surgeries.
Huge benefits to the CANTER/MSU collaboration are the educational opportunities provided to MSU Equine Vet students and residents. The Equine Vet student program at MSU is one of the best in the country because of CANTER thoroughbreds and the cooperation of the thoroughbred racing industry.
A FEW unscrupulous thoroughbred racehorse owners/trainers continue to race their horse even after the horse has been diagnosed with serious injury. On a recent television report on horseracing, an owner/trainer admitted that, quote: “This vet told me he has a suspensory (leg injury). He said the horse was through. I won 6 races with the horse.” Unquote. *(See a complete transcript of the TV report at the end)
That owner/trainer came to CANTER to intake his horse when he knew the horse should be euthanized because of traumatic injuries. Yes, CANTER took the horse…the owner saved euthanasia charges.. and, after a CANTER vet assessment determined there was no chance to save the horse, CANTER paid for euthanasia.
Also included in the tv report was a chestnut thoroughbred that had raced with 80-90% of its superficial digital flexor tendon torn. Another thoroughbred had raced with its suspensory torn at the point of attachment…and yet another thoroughbred had raced in the same week as the above two horses, with multiple fractures in a knee and severe arthritis.
The “Sport of Kings” is being ruined by the few unscrupulous owners/trainers who become the “jesters”. Stop their laughter at the sport. Stop them from racing.
BACKGROUND:
CANTER volunteers and thoroughbred owners and trainers have been working well together for 10 years, since CANTER was founded to find new non-race homes after the closing of the Detroit Race Course, DRC in 1997. When Great Lakes Downs opened in Muskegon, CANTER volunteers continued to help thoroughbred owners and trainers remove their non-competitive or injured thoroughbreds, by bringing them into the CANTER program. CANTER is a free service to thoroughbred owners and trainers.. but it costs CANTER more than $250,000 a year to transition these magnificent athletes into non-race homes. CANTER also provides a free website service to owners and trainers who want to list their horse(s) for sale. CANTER volunteers take pictures and descriptions of the horse, include owner/trainer contact information and place it on CANTER’s website for the owner/trainer to make a direct sale.
Each thoroughbred is transported to a boarding facility where it is evaluated for any medical needs and personality traits. If a medical issue is present, x-rays are taken and sent to MSU’s Veterinary Teaching Hospital for evaluation, surgical options, and potential prognosis. A good prognosis is possible for most thoroughbreds when they are taken out of racing by their owners as soon as a serious racetrack injury develops.
After surgery, CANTER volunteers continue the thoroughbred’s rehabilitation, retraining, and constant evaluation, until a veterinarian determines the horse is ready for adoption.
CANTER cares about thoroughbred racehorses… and about the responsible owners and trainers in the horseracing industry.
CANTER asks all owners and trainers to stand up for quality in horse racing and reject irresponsible owners and trainers who will race severely injured thoroughbreds trying to get one last dollar out of them. We have an OPPORTUNITY to make Michigan a HIGH QUALITY thoroughbred horse racing state. Let’s take it…and continue to work together.
SUMMARY: CANTER supports responsible Thoroughbred racehorse owners and trainers. Thoroughbred racing in Michigan can be a high quality sport if unscrupulous owners/trainers are prohibited from racing injured horses.
A great opportunity exists to make Thoroughbred Racing in Michigan a leader in the horse racing industry and the best at caring for thoroughbreds after their racing careers are over.
At Great Lakes Downs in Muskegon, the “sport of kings” was degraded by a few unscrupulous owners/trainers who became the “jesters” of horseracing. Their laughter at the sport and their disregard for the well being of these magnificent athletes, thoroughbred racehorses, demean the horse racing industry. These few irresponsible owners/trainers should not be allowed to participate in the sport of kings in Michigan or anywhere else.
If Michigan approves the new Thoroughbred racetrack near Detroit, The Pinnacle, owned by Jerry Campbell and Henry Mast, Michigan Thoroughbred racehorse owners and trainers...and CANTER… want this to be a HIGH QUALITY, above board, thoroughbred racetrack that provides the best in thoroughbred horse racing, comparable to Kentucky, New York and higher quality racetracks. Michigan can set the standard in making thoroughbred rehabilitation and retirement a priority. In California, Thoroughbred owners created a California Retirement Management Account, or CARMA, which is funded by a .3% (point 3 percent) of purses for all meets to pay for ex-racehorse rehabilitation. Arizona charges $1.00 per start for each horse, which is paid to the HBPA to distribute for racehorse rehabilitation. Michigan thoroughbred owners can become the leaders and the best when it comes to horse racing AND rehabilitation of ex-racehorses, by establishing a rehabilitation and retirement fund.
Racetrack injuries to thoroughbred racehorses are a fact of the sport. Hundreds of thoroughbreds, injured on the racetrack, that come to CANTER, result in CANTER being the largest client at Michigan State University Veterinary Teaching Hospital with $100,000 worth of surgeries every year on CANTER thoroughbreds. All of the injured thoroughbreds are the result of racetrack injuries.
CANTER PAYS for surgeries at MSU… CANTER PAYS for vets, farriers, transport, feed & grain, boarding, rehabilitation, retraining, website, marketing, and even euthanasia when necessary. CANTER MAKES NO MONEY on thoroughbreds. Why does CANTER continue if its makes no money? CANTER believes every thoroughbred racehorse should have a chance at a new life after it crosses the finish line for the last time.
The MAJORITY of thoroughbred racehorse owners and trainers retire their horse immediately following a serious injury and most contact CANTER to take the horse into the CANTER program so it can receive life saving surgery, rehabilitation, retraining, and adoption into an approved non-race home.. all at no cost to the owner. Most owners/trainers want and receive pictures and descriptions of their former racehorse from its new owners. CANTER has thousands of success stories.
CANTER is the ONLY equine rescue/rehabilitation organization in the country that accepts ANY thoroughbred off the racetrack, regardless of injury.. and CANTER does NOT have a “closed door” policy because there is no room for a thoroughbred off the track… CANTER makes room!
CANTER is an all-volunteer 501©(3) organization with a $250,000 a year budget devoted to thoroughbreds. No salaries are paid, but active CANTER board members who devote hours each day to help thoroughbreds, include: a business owner, attorney, Chief of Staff at MSU Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Equine Veterinarian, oncology nurse, equine trainer, broadcaster, computer specialist and educator.
CANTER depends on donations, grants and rehabilitated thoroughbred adoptions to meet its $250,000 a year budget. 100% of revenue goes to help thoroughbreds. An MSU fund, the Equine Rehabilitation Fund, accepts donations to help pay for MSU surgeries.
Huge benefits to the CANTER/MSU collaboration are the educational opportunities provided to MSU Equine Vet students and residents. The Equine Vet student program at MSU is one of the best in the country because of CANTER thoroughbreds and the cooperation of the thoroughbred racing industry.
A FEW unscrupulous thoroughbred racehorse owners/trainers continue to race their horse even after the horse has been diagnosed with serious injury. On a recent television report on horseracing, an owner/trainer admitted that, quote: “This vet told me he has a suspensory (leg injury). He said the horse was through. I won 6 races with the horse.” Unquote. *(See a complete transcript of the TV report at the end)
That owner/trainer came to CANTER to intake his horse when he knew the horse should be euthanized because of traumatic injuries. Yes, CANTER took the horse…the owner saved euthanasia charges.. and, after a CANTER vet assessment determined there was no chance to save the horse, CANTER paid for euthanasia.
Also included in the tv report was a chestnut thoroughbred that had raced with 80-90% of its superficial digital flexor tendon torn. Another thoroughbred had raced with its suspensory torn at the point of attachment…and yet another thoroughbred had raced in the same week as the above two horses, with multiple fractures in a knee and severe arthritis.
The “Sport of Kings” is being ruined by the few unscrupulous owners/trainers who become the “jesters”. Stop their laughter at the sport. Stop them from racing.
BACKGROUND:
CANTER volunteers and thoroughbred owners and trainers have been working well together for 10 years, since CANTER was founded to find new non-race homes after the closing of the Detroit Race Course, DRC in 1997. When Great Lakes Downs opened in Muskegon, CANTER volunteers continued to help thoroughbred owners and trainers remove their non-competitive or injured thoroughbreds, by bringing them into the CANTER program. CANTER is a free service to thoroughbred owners and trainers.. but it costs CANTER more than $250,000 a year to transition these magnificent athletes into non-race homes. CANTER also provides a free website service to owners and trainers who want to list their horse(s) for sale. CANTER volunteers take pictures and descriptions of the horse, include owner/trainer contact information and place it on CANTER’s website for the owner/trainer to make a direct sale.
Each thoroughbred is transported to a boarding facility where it is evaluated for any medical needs and personality traits. If a medical issue is present, x-rays are taken and sent to MSU’s Veterinary Teaching Hospital for evaluation, surgical options, and potential prognosis. A good prognosis is possible for most thoroughbreds when they are taken out of racing by their owners as soon as a serious racetrack injury develops.
After surgery, CANTER volunteers continue the thoroughbred’s rehabilitation, retraining, and constant evaluation, until a veterinarian determines the horse is ready for adoption.
CANTER cares about thoroughbred racehorses… and about the responsible owners and trainers in the horseracing industry.
CANTER asks all owners and trainers to stand up for quality in horse racing and reject irresponsible owners and trainers who will race severely injured thoroughbreds trying to get one last dollar out of them. We have an OPPORTUNITY to make Michigan a HIGH QUALITY thoroughbred horse racing state. Let’s take it…and continue to work together.
SUMMARY: CANTER supports responsible Thoroughbred racehorse owners and trainers. Thoroughbred racing in Michigan can be a high quality sport if unscrupulous owners/trainers are prohibited from racing injured horses.
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And how much were you paid for this public service announcement?
There was no question as to CANTERS roll in the world of horse racing. The point of the matter is NO WHERE in this TV footage was it ever mentioned what CANTERS motives turely were other then to expose the fact that horses get hurt or are forced to race hurt. No where was the CONTENT of your post ever mentioned! NOWHERE.
This act of deceit and underhandedness was a black eye on racing not looking out for the best interest of the sport, the people and mostly the animals within the sport of KINGS. I AM so thankful other CANTER charters do not result to such foul tactics...the other charters seem to up hold a higher sense of professionalisum.
Im sure the POSITIVE reinforcement this news coverage brough to the non racing public livingrooms will help get that new track rolling right along! NOT.
Please dont preach to the choir...I think we have all heard enough from the Mi. CANTER for a while.
PS I as a breeder and owner feel I shouldnt have to pay into a fund for retirement until trainers/owners/ track Management/ State vets etc...are all held accountable for their actions. How many times have you seen a horse who shouldnt not have been in a race...whos at fault? How many times have we seen a horse over trainer or worse yet under trained? Whos at fault. How many times have we seen horses not properly broke and started before going to the track...whos at fault? Trainers are considerd professiona horsement and women...as are vets, farriers, grooms, and yes even owners.
If not then we are just saying...this little fee will help for the horses that need rehab and those responsible walk away. Is it a possible start...yes but we need to start with the help long before the rehab is needed.
JMO for what its worth...if anything.
There was no question as to CANTERS roll in the world of horse racing. The point of the matter is NO WHERE in this TV footage was it ever mentioned what CANTERS motives turely were other then to expose the fact that horses get hurt or are forced to race hurt. No where was the CONTENT of your post ever mentioned! NOWHERE.
This act of deceit and underhandedness was a black eye on racing not looking out for the best interest of the sport, the people and mostly the animals within the sport of KINGS. I AM so thankful other CANTER charters do not result to such foul tactics...the other charters seem to up hold a higher sense of professionalisum.
Im sure the POSITIVE reinforcement this news coverage brough to the non racing public livingrooms will help get that new track rolling right along! NOT.
Please dont preach to the choir...I think we have all heard enough from the Mi. CANTER for a while.
PS I as a breeder and owner feel I shouldnt have to pay into a fund for retirement until trainers/owners/ track Management/ State vets etc...are all held accountable for their actions. How many times have you seen a horse who shouldnt not have been in a race...whos at fault? How many times have we seen a horse over trainer or worse yet under trained? Whos at fault. How many times have we seen horses not properly broke and started before going to the track...whos at fault? Trainers are considerd professiona horsement and women...as are vets, farriers, grooms, and yes even owners.
If not then we are just saying...this little fee will help for the horses that need rehab and those responsible walk away. Is it a possible start...yes but we need to start with the help long before the rehab is needed.
JMO for what its worth...if anything.
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Re: Statement From CANTER MI
rocknstar wrote:CANTER FACTS AND INFORMATION
A great opportunity exists to make Thoroughbred Racing in Michigan a leader in the horse racing industry and the best at caring for thoroughbreds after their racing careers are over.
At Great Lakes Downs in Muskegon, the “sport of kings” was degraded by a few unscrupulous owners/trainers who became the “jesters” of horseracing. Their laughter at the sport and their disregard for the well being of these magnificent athletes, thoroughbred racehorses, demean the horse racing industry. These few irresponsible owners/trainers should not be allowed to participate in the sport of kings in Michigan or anywhere else.
If Michigan approves the new Thoroughbred racetrack near Detroit, The Pinnacle, owned by Jerry Campbell and Henry Mast, Michigan Thoroughbred racehorse owners and trainers...and CANTER… want this to be a HIGH QUALITY, above board, thoroughbred racetrack that provides the best in thoroughbred horse racing, comparable to Kentucky, New York and higher quality racetracks. Michigan can set the standard in making thoroughbred rehabilitation and retirement a priority. In California, Thoroughbred owners created a California Retirement Management Account, or CARMA, which is funded by a .3% (point 3 percent) of purses for all meets to pay for ex-racehorse rehabilitation. Arizona charges $1.00 per start for each horse, which is paid to the HBPA to distribute for racehorse rehabilitation. Michigan thoroughbred owners can become the leaders and the best when it comes to horse racing AND rehabilitation of ex-racehorses, by establishing a rehabilitation and retirement fund.
Racetrack injuries to thoroughbred racehorses are a fact of the sport. Hundreds of thoroughbreds, injured on the racetrack, that come to CANTER, result in CANTER being the largest client at Michigan State University Veterinary Teaching Hospital with $100,000 worth of surgeries every year on CANTER thoroughbreds. All of the injured thoroughbreds are the result of racetrack injuries.
CANTER PAYS for surgeries at MSU… CANTER PAYS for vets, farriers, transport, feed & grain, boarding, rehabilitation, retraining, website, marketing, and even euthanasia when necessary. CANTER MAKES NO MONEY on thoroughbreds. Why does CANTER continue if its makes no money? CANTER believes every thoroughbred racehorse should have a chance at a new life after it crosses the finish line for the last time.
The MAJORITY of thoroughbred racehorse owners and trainers retire their horse immediately following a serious injury and most contact CANTER to take the horse into the CANTER program so it can receive life saving surgery, rehabilitation, retraining, and adoption into an approved non-race home.. all at no cost to the owner. Most owners/trainers want and receive pictures and descriptions of their former racehorse from its new owners. CANTER has thousands of success stories.
CANTER is the ONLY equine rescue/rehabilitation organization in the country that accepts ANY thoroughbred off the racetrack, regardless of injury.. and CANTER does NOT have a “closed door” policy because there is no room for a thoroughbred off the track… CANTER makes room!
CANTER is an all-volunteer 501©(3) organization with a $250,000 a year budget devoted to thoroughbreds. No salaries are paid, but active CANTER board members who devote hours each day to help thoroughbreds, include: a business owner, attorney, Chief of Staff at MSU Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Equine Veterinarian, oncology nurse, equine trainer, broadcaster, computer specialist and educator.
CANTER depends on donations, grants and rehabilitated thoroughbred adoptions to meet its $250,000 a year budget. 100% of revenue goes to help thoroughbreds. An MSU fund, the Equine Rehabilitation Fund, accepts donations to help pay for MSU surgeries.
Huge benefits to the CANTER/MSU collaboration are the educational opportunities provided to MSU Equine Vet students and residents. The Equine Vet student program at MSU is one of the best in the country because of CANTER thoroughbreds and the cooperation of the thoroughbred racing industry.
A FEW unscrupulous thoroughbred racehorse owners/trainers continue to race their horse even after the horse has been diagnosed with serious injury. On a recent television report on horseracing, an owner/trainer admitted that, quote: “This vet told me he has a suspensory (leg injury). He said the horse was through. I won 6 races with the horse.” Unquote. *(See a complete transcript of the TV report at the end)
That owner/trainer came to CANTER to intake his horse when he knew the horse should be euthanized because of traumatic injuries. Yes, CANTER took the horse…the owner saved euthanasia charges.. and, after a CANTER vet assessment determined there was no chance to save the horse, CANTER paid for euthanasia.
Also included in the tv report was a chestnut thoroughbred that had raced with 80-90% of its superficial digital flexor tendon torn. Another thoroughbred had raced with its suspensory torn at the point of attachment…and yet another thoroughbred had raced in the same week as the above two horses, with multiple fractures in a knee and severe arthritis.
The “Sport of Kings” is being ruined by the few unscrupulous owners/trainers who become the “jesters”. Stop their laughter at the sport. Stop them from racing.
BACKGROUND:
CANTER volunteers and thoroughbred owners and trainers have been working well together for 10 years, since CANTER was founded to find new non-race homes after the closing of the Detroit Race Course, DRC in 1997. When Great Lakes Downs opened in Muskegon, CANTER volunteers continued to help thoroughbred owners and trainers remove their non-competitive or injured thoroughbreds, by bringing them into the CANTER program. CANTER is a free service to thoroughbred owners and trainers.. but it costs CANTER more than $250,000 a year to transition these magnificent athletes into non-race homes. CANTER also provides a free website service to owners and trainers who want to list their horse(s) for sale. CANTER volunteers take pictures and descriptions of the horse, include owner/trainer contact information and place it on CANTER’s website for the owner/trainer to make a direct sale.
Each thoroughbred is transported to a boarding facility where it is evaluated for any medical needs and personality traits. If a medical issue is present, x-rays are taken and sent to MSU’s Veterinary Teaching Hospital for evaluation, surgical options, and potential prognosis. A good prognosis is possible for most thoroughbreds when they are taken out of racing by their owners as soon as a serious racetrack injury develops.
After surgery, CANTER volunteers continue the thoroughbred’s rehabilitation, retraining, and constant evaluation, until a veterinarian determines the horse is ready for adoption.
CANTER cares about thoroughbred racehorses… and about the responsible owners and trainers in the horseracing industry.
CANTER asks all owners and trainers to stand up for quality in horse racing and reject irresponsible owners and trainers who will race severely injured thoroughbreds trying to get one last dollar out of them. We have an OPPORTUNITY to make Michigan a HIGH QUALITY thoroughbred horse racing state. Let’s take it…and continue to work together.
SUMMARY: CANTER supports responsible Thoroughbred racehorse owners and trainers. Thoroughbred racing in Michigan can be a high quality sport if unscrupulous owners/trainers are prohibited from racing injured horses.
Why doesn't CANTER post its financial statements like reputable 501 (c)(3) orgs? Who makes money from CANTER and who gets a salary?
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CANTER is the ONLY equine rescue/rehabilitation organization in the country that accepts ANY thoroughbred off the racetrack, regardless of injury.. and CANTER does NOT have a “closed door” policy because there is no room for a thoroughbred off the track… CANTER makes room!
Ok that is good to know. I need the address please. I have 5 that I am currently working on placing for trainers. That does not include the one I turned down today when the trainer told me that if I didn't give him $100 and take his horse that he would send her to the killers and tell everyone it is my fault that she is dead. Prepare for the onslaught, I can probably deliver 20+/- per week.
Ok that is good to know. I need the address please. I have 5 that I am currently working on placing for trainers. That does not include the one I turned down today when the trainer told me that if I didn't give him $100 and take his horse that he would send her to the killers and tell everyone it is my fault that she is dead. Prepare for the onslaught, I can probably deliver 20+/- per week.
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I am on Northern Illinois' CANTER board and do not get paid a single cent (nor have I ever). I have even "fostered" horses until they are adopted at my expense. The N. Illinois CANTER chapter is working on a shoe string budget. Many trainers contact me directly when they need to move a horse quickly out of their stables because they know that I will rehab and transition the horse at not expense to anyone but myself. There have been run-ins with the Michigan CANTER organization and other CANTER organizations - just so you all know - this isnt the first time they have "stepped on other's toes."
Living in northern IL myself, I am HAPPY to report that the horses that were not killed in the horrible truck accident in Wadsworth, IL have been adopted.
Much thanks to Ms. Donna Ewing of HARPS and to the Carney Farm of Wadsworth, IL for their TLC in getting these horses patched up and adopted out to new owners.
Almost 70 horses stuffed into a damned double decker trailer.
There ARE good folks out there, I'm happy to say.
Another thing: look up the info. on a horse called Proud Miner (I think that was his name) Someone wanted to adopt him, his owner kept running him and running him despite his being last all the time, and now the horse is dead.
Also, does anyone remember who the owners of Cardmania were? If a horse made me over a MILLION dollars, he'd have a permanent stall in my barn.
Much thanks to Ms. Donna Ewing of HARPS and to the Carney Farm of Wadsworth, IL for their TLC in getting these horses patched up and adopted out to new owners.
Almost 70 horses stuffed into a damned double decker trailer.
There ARE good folks out there, I'm happy to say.
Another thing: look up the info. on a horse called Proud Miner (I think that was his name) Someone wanted to adopt him, his owner kept running him and running him despite his being last all the time, and now the horse is dead.
Also, does anyone remember who the owners of Cardmania were? If a horse made me over a MILLION dollars, he'd have a permanent stall in my barn.
We will NEVER see another Ruffian......
"Brave Miner"
Joy, the girl interviewed on the newscast, is the one that had been trying to get Brave Miner for years. They just wouldn't give him up. They were trying to break some "wins" record with him. Yeah they broke him alright!! They told Joy she could have him after his last race. He didn't make it.
I also am a Board Member for CANTER MI. I have fostered over 15 horses this year and never took a penny from CANTER, I haul all over the state picking them up(we've taken in over 30 since Nov. 6), I do application for all the affiliates and Michigan, Maintain files, and I could go on and on.....I don't get a cent!!
I was there when they were interviewing her and there was much more said that should have been on but no one has control over what they put on TV.
Yes the responsibility belongs to the state and vets but it starts with the owners. HORSES SHOULDN'T BE RUN WITH INJURIES! We figured that out of 54 owners/trainers we deal with 19 run with injuries. We are the only ones that take them in regardless of there injuries. Many of them should have been euthanized before they came to us instead of standing in a stall in pain. We have $500 into each horse within the first week they are with us, getting them attention from vets, ferriers, dentists etc. Then we have to train them or rehab them. We get no money for anything we do. We just pay for services and food. I could go on and on but I won't. The responsibility starts in the owners backyard.....take care of them. Don't put the responsibility on others.
I also am a Board Member for CANTER MI. I have fostered over 15 horses this year and never took a penny from CANTER, I haul all over the state picking them up(we've taken in over 30 since Nov. 6), I do application for all the affiliates and Michigan, Maintain files, and I could go on and on.....I don't get a cent!!
I was there when they were interviewing her and there was much more said that should have been on but no one has control over what they put on TV.
Yes the responsibility belongs to the state and vets but it starts with the owners. HORSES SHOULDN'T BE RUN WITH INJURIES! We figured that out of 54 owners/trainers we deal with 19 run with injuries. We are the only ones that take them in regardless of there injuries. Many of them should have been euthanized before they came to us instead of standing in a stall in pain. We have $500 into each horse within the first week they are with us, getting them attention from vets, ferriers, dentists etc. Then we have to train them or rehab them. We get no money for anything we do. We just pay for services and food. I could go on and on but I won't. The responsibility starts in the owners backyard.....take care of them. Don't put the responsibility on others.
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