MARE MYSTREY - IS CBER's "Kitty Cat" the one in th

[jellac]

Hello - I'm hoping some of you forum members can help me with this mystery - it may very well make a life changing difference in this mare's life. She's on the Columbia Basin Equine Rescue site as being "Available" for adoption (ulitmately if she is not adopted or sponsored by donations - she'll go to the "Kill Buyer"). CBER is trying to get her adopted working with the feed lot owner/buyer and their dedicated volunteers.

This is a reportedly TB mare who was delivered as part of a band of other, mostly older TB mares you can see on the site. She is also reportedly age 15 (the angulation/condition of her teeth in photo tend to support that but of course can be plus or minus a year in their interpretation). She is also reportedly a daughter of Storm Cat and is called "Kitty Cat"....

I went to the database and queried that name and came up with the 15YO Storm Cat daughter below - could be coincidence or could be a match???

http://www.pedigreequery.com/kitty+cat

Now this is a 2YO SW/SP and almost GSP mare who in 1998 went from New Zealand to Australia to be bred to Zabeel. Seems improbable that she'd end up at a feedlot in Washington state but that is how capricious life for these TBs often is. I'm trying to confirm - or reasonabally confirm if this mare could be Storm Cat's SW daughter "Kitty Cat".

The CBER volunteers are trying to confirm whether that name was given to her by the volunteers or by the prior owner who dropped them off/sold them to the feedlot guy. They may also try to get a better look at her tattoo.

Can anyone confirm for me/CBER if they know or have ever seen a record of this mare being in the US after 1998 or for forum members in the Southern Hemisphere is she known to still be there or deceased?

This mare appeared sound and rode well enough by a volunteer at the feedlot to be considered for a pleasure mount and she was described as appearing to have been bred but they cannot assure if it is one and the same mare as Storm Cat's Kitty Cat (above) - nor if pregnant; and if pregnant by what stallion.

[madelyn]

The daughter of Storm Cat named Kitty Cat ('93) is a NZ bred, and is registered as BLACK. She was minor stakes placed, in one stakes race.

There is a '91 mare named Kitty Cat by Talc Duster.

Neither mare has been bred to a TB in the US.

[Derby Lyn]

It looks like the 2001 son Snappy Tom out of Kitty Cat (Storm Cat) is still in Australia.

[kiwi]

The Kitty Cat that was foaled in New Zealand would have a brand on both shoulders and not have a tattoo as done in the USA

[jellac]

Thanks Kiwi - That's the sort of information I needed. I will report back what the volunteers find, confirming if it is Kitty Cat (NZ) or another TB mare with the "pet" name of "Kitty Cat".

I found out quite a bit about Kitty Cat (NZ) and her most recently sold/still racing offspring SNAPPY TOM (Redoubte's Choice x. Kitty Cat), owned/raced by Danielle Champan quite successfully despite being a 'roarer', while trying to chase this down.

The following is exerpted from his catalog page 6/04 at Inglis Sale -

1st DAM Kitty Cat (NZ), by Storm Cat. Won MVRC Crown Triple Diamonds H. (1000m.) at 2. 2d VATC Bounding Away Quality H. L. 4th MVRC Moet & Chandon Champagne S. Gr 2. Dam of 4 foals, 3 raced, 2 winners–

ZYLVESTER (c by Zabeel). 4 wins 1600 to 2000m. inc. MVRC Isabella Eyewear H., SAJC Melbourne Cup Day @ Morphetteville H.

PURRSIAN (f by Flying Spur). 1 win at 1200m. at 2. 3d MVRC Strathayr H.

TOM KITTEN (c by Peintre Celebre (USA)). Placed


I should add that SNAPPY TOM has earned NZ$ 201,525 as of Dec 2007 with a record of 27 starts, 5 wins/7placings/6showings and ran a 'stakes' race, the Harpagus (sp?) Handicap on Dec. 24th but did not hit the board. This success despite being a roarer.

As successful as Kitty Cat has been both on the track and in the breeding shed I seriously doubt this mare is one and the same - a nice productive mare she is too!

Madelyn - Thanks for your information on Kitty Cat(NZ) and the identically named mare by Talc Buster. This mare is not a true BLACK, but rather has the soft brown muzzle of a bay.

[klbash2000]

Some possibilities:
1991 Kitty Cat,Dkbbr,f,Talc Duster
1992 Kitty Cat Moon,B,f,Superoyale
1996 Kitty Kat Slew,Dkbbr,f,Grande Jette
1991 Kitty Kitty,Dkbbr,f,Master Salls
1996 Kitty,B,f,Forsythe Boy
1991 Kitt Cattin,Dkbbr,f,Harry The Great
1999 Kit N' Kat,Dkbbr,f,Katowice
1998 Kidder Cat,Dkbbr,f,Distinctive Cat

[Regal13]

Just in case anyone wants to see some pictures of her....

http://www.columbiabasinequinerescue.or ... ?HoID=1056

[Regal13]

Also, it doesn't appear to me that she has any branding marks on her shoulder....???

[kiwi]

Item of interest:

PURRSIAN (f by Flying Spur). 1 win at 1200m. at 2. 3d MVRC Strathayr H.
Is in NZ as a broodmare.

She had a couple of foals born at the farm where my mare grazes in NZ. Know one of the part owners of Pussy (Purrsian).

[magic code]

Saw a post on CBER's forum that an off-site volunteer made up the name when she was sent the information to list the horse online.

The Storm Cat stuff has been blown out of proportion. I can think of exactly TWO Storm Cat mares who've ever been in WA, and both are KY broodmares now. From what I read on the CBER forum, the horse trader told the volunteers that they had the bloodlines of 'something Cat' and THEY came up with Storm Cat.

There is a possiblity it could be a Delineator or a Storm Blast - both sons of Storm Cat at stud in WA. An own daughter of Storm Cat? Not on your life.

[NorthStar]

Horses on the CBER lot come from CA, Oregon, WA, and many points east of WA, CA & Oregon. All ship to Mexico now where they use horrific methods. Nice to know California enforces that no transport for slaughter law. [Not]

In fact, many of the Barretts "no bids" can end up there as the meat buyers are always waiting to pounce and do.

This last batch of mares have been unusually nice at the lot.

I'd check the Washington Dec. Mixed "no bids" and really low bids for clues here. Or one could look at it this way, chances are pretty good that the mare has been bred to garbage and anything would be an improvement. If nothing else, the mare looks to be a decent sporthorse prospect, so possibly a good sporthorse mare prospect.

Katowice stood/stands in WA and has lots of daughters with Kat in the name.

[summerhorse]

There are a couple of WA farms that have gone out of business recently (or dispersed most of their stock anyway) and at least one is well known for dumping mares at that lot. The other one may not have sent them there (there were 3-4 listed at once) but did tell someone they had to move them out pretty soon so if they sold them cheap they could have ended up there easily. Seems that used up TB broodmares and culled young horses (too small, injured, etc) are dumped there quite often.

Unless it states that the name is the reg. name the names are all made up and orig. they said she MIGHT have Storm Cat in her. Much more likely a grand daughter or more. No shortage of those around. They also said that for an additional $100 you could buy the papers from the owners (or well someone) so it sounds like her identity is available for a price.

I do not believe anyone would send a Storm Cat daughter to that lot (where they get $100-300 tops (on a good day) unless she was hopelessly barren or ready to drop dead from cancer or something. They could so easily sell her for much much more than that if she had even a PRAYER of getting in foal.

On the other hand she (and the others) weren't bad looking horses and if you lived in the area and could do a PPE they'd make pretty riding horses. If they were sound enough.