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Postby Rokeby Forever » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:15 pm

bdw0617 wrote: jack freakin van berg didn't wake up and forget how to train horses.

JVB should be smart enough to realize that in California in 2008, if a trainer isn't personable, good looking, a good dresser, well spoken, good in front of a TV camera, and doesn't wine and dine clients, he's not going to get the big clients and lots of horses, especially at his age. And having a daughter that looks like Ron Ellis's daughter doesn't hurt, either.
Tucumcari wrote:I can feel the sarcasm... he's a horseman

I'm sorry, Tuc. I know you're a Jeff Mullet pompom shaker...no offense.
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Postby Tiz » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:22 pm

bdw, your answer is security? Very broad subject, but I guess you're judging success by the fact we haven't been attacked. Certainly true, but do you know the cost? Any other details?
Do you know that members of Congress have spent hour after hour, after hour, after hour arguing about FISA courts, what the meaning of torture is, should wiretapping terrorist's phones be legal, should terrorists be afforded our Constitutional rights. It goes on and on. God forbid this group turns it's ineffective energy to horse racing.

I agree with whoever said that most, not a few, people involved in horse racing are willing to cheat. Seems a sign of our times in all walks of life. As long as the penalties for it are a laugh, it won't change.

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Postby Tucumcari » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:47 pm

Tucumcari wrote:I can feel the sarcasm... he's a horseman

I'm sorry, Tuc. I know you're a Jeff Mullet pompom shaker...no offense.[/quote]

Jack's a great guy and makes a great turkey for Chirstmas., BUT he's also made bad business decisions and has slowly declined from "fame" Let's be clear. I love Jack!

All I say about Mullins is he's a horseman and watch him daily for years and dispute it. His horses train great, they look great and he runs aggressively. WTF... shoot him for not protecting every horse he runs. It's a game whee you get paid when you win. I could name a dozen people we hold in high regard that aren't as much horseman as he is. Do I agree with this last test, no way, but he is heads above so many, and he has my respect.
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Postby DDT » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:49 pm

What we need to do is boycott wagering, if only 50% of the people that wager on the races stopped, it would not take very long for track management and the powers that be to wake up and find out what it would take to get the players back in action. Money talks.

It is like the price for a gallon of gas, if we restricted our use to the very essential tasks that require driving it would not take long for a surplus to build up and prices would go down, they can only store so many gallons of gas....

What we don't need is the government involved, they would spend billions just having investigating committees come up with what is wrong, then a couple more billion to come up with some kind of quick fix plan that would fail, and we would start all over again.

You know, if you have a lot of crime on your streets you do not lay off policemen, you hire more.

Racing needs uniform rules, uniform enforcement of those rules, with no exceptions. I know it was very different 50 years ago, but if you got caught cheating you were gone from the sport.

What we have come down to is a computer operator sees what he/she thinks is a betting coup, management at a couple of tracks bans 7-10 jockeys without a word as to why. Most of these jockeys are still not riding, and of course if they were dumb enough to fix a race and share a possible mother load of about $60,000-$70,000 between them at the risk of being banned, possibly for life, they don't deserve to be riding. Opposed to that we have Cobra Venom found in the tack room of a trainer that has been banned in the past, an illegal substance, the vet gets 5 years and the trainer, who is responsible for what is in his tack room, he deals, gets banned for a year, and will be back. It makes no sense.

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Postby bdw0617 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:34 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:
bdw0617 wrote: jack freakin van berg didn't wake up and forget how to train horses.

JVB should be smart enough to realize that in California in 2008, if a trainer isn't personable, good looking, a good dresser, well spoken, good in front of a TV camera, and doesn't wine and dine clients, he's not going to get the big clients and lots of horses, especially at his age. And having a daughter that looks like Ron Ellis's daughter doesn't hurt, either.
Tucumcari wrote:I can feel the sarcasm... he's a horseman

I'm sorry, Tuc. I know you're a Jeff Mullet pompom shaker...no offense.



1. ron ellis daughter gets more face time than ron ellis on TVG.. sad.

2. what's that sorta big guy who always looks kinda sloppy.. i forgot his name.. he does pretty well for himself

DDT, people like you and I are the minority. most people can't think for themselves and aren't willing to inconvenience themselves for a greater cause.


am i the only one that gets that there will NEVER be any uniform rules or regulations unless someone of greater power with no interest in horse racing steps in?
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Postby Foggytrip » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:37 pm

You are advocating the US Government start running horseracing?

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Postby Tucumcari » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:48 pm

Head desk, head desk
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"...stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all those who are destitute.."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIASWv9GYC8

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Postby Foggytrip » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:49 pm

As opposed to head under the desk :P

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Postby Tucumcari » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:50 pm

LOL... ummm not quite the same thing. :shock: :D
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"...stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all those who are destitute.."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawYXs2e ... re=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIASWv9GYC8

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Postby Foggytrip » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:52 pm

I knew I should have went into teaching.

Im not sure what BDW is advocating here, sometimes I get lost in his posts. BDW clarify what you think they should do

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Postby bdw0617 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:53 pm

NOOOOOO!!!!


I am advocating that US Goverment issue the same guesto and zealous in trying to put a stop to steroids and drugs in horse racing as they have in baseball. that's it.
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Postby Foggytrip » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:56 pm

I think the US Government has overstepped their boundries getting involved in baseball. We have mass home forclosure, the economy is terrible, we are in a war, and the best this administration can do is worry about steroids in baseball? I think the Government has done enough. Im embarrassed Im a republican

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Postby Tucumcari » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:15 pm

The govenment has no business in sports. They have enough trouble governing countries. We have governing "commities" to regulate.
Proverbs 31:8

"...stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all those who are destitute.."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawYXs2e ... re=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIASWv9GYC8

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Postby Tiz » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:21 pm

The administration is one part of government, foggytrip, and I'm pretty certain the baseball dog and pony show was the brainchild of a different branch.
Take heart, be not embarrassed. Republicans still own common sense in governing.

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:31 pm

MLB Baseball has an exemption from the monopoly laws (anti-trust), so to a certain extent, the Government can intervene in its activities. But racing is not a monopoly...the Government has no place in it.

Listening to the Dems lately, I'm hardly embarrassed to be Republican. :D
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