New Stallion ad campaign Opinions

[cj55]

Thank you, apology accepted. But I really don't get the inferior part. I know he is not a super horse but do believe he deserves a shot at being a sire and will provide good value for his clients.

[Foggytrip]

Inferior... There are so many stallions to choose from who have had a racing career, who hail from better families, who've won graded stakes races in the same price range. I am not saying your horse was a bad horse, I am not saying he cannot be successful. I just think its a very tall order to put a stallion on the map when they are spotting their peers so much right off the bat. Hence you needing to get runners

[cj55]

Fair enough Foggy, that I can understand. That is why we decided to do the 2 for 1 or 50% off discounted fee paid whn mare is covered with LFG. By the way we got 4 more contracts today so maybe we are on the right track. Thanks for your opinion it is valued. I guess I never have liked that word inferior when the jury is still out on what may be.

[Foggytrip]

I hope you continue to get contracts and he gets a grade 1 winner in the first crop. My intentions werent to blast your horse

[cj55]

Thanks for that, we hope so too. His sire had a super first crop, hopefully he will too. By the way we do plan on racing our foals from him and try to support him that way too. We know it won't be an easy task in promoting him and are trying to let folks know we want his foals on the ground. We will do special considerations, etc and other promotions. We just want the fee they pay not to be devalued by "giving him away" so to speak. We all need to earn from these breedings, stallion owners and broodmare owners alike. Thanks again and I am sorry I jumped at you, did not understand the way you worded it offended me the first time. The way you worded it the second time, well I understand that. Best regards to you!

[hpkingjr]

CJ:

I know you love this horse and are very proud of him. I've never seen him so all I base my comments upon are skewed. Experience tells me that you are in tough. Unless you have a band of mares like Claiborne he may never prove himself.

My take on him is that his fee is really $1,500.00. I questioned immediately discounting his fee 50% before he's covered a mare. If the mare owner calls at 3K then you can discount that foal if necessary to seal the deal. How does it feel for the person who signes a 3K contract to see the next two mares covered at half price. What I'm trying to say is I believe YOU have devalued him before he has covered a mare. It really makes zero difference in the grand scheme whether the fee is 1.5K or 3K. By the time you spend 15 thousand more to get him to a yearling, you either have $16,500.00 invested or $18,000.00, not much difference.

I hope he covers 100 mares and that he is very successful but the road ahead is long and tough. Respectfully

[Sysonby]

I haven't seen your stallion either but you might want to look at the history of the California Cinderella stallions Cee's Tizzy, Smokester and Unusual Heat all of whom had credentials on paper not much different than your horse. In every instance, the owner(s) of the stallion bred, raised and raced virtually the entire first crop until the sire proved himself on the track. I know Smokester and Cee's Tizzy were essentially free to outside mares but I'm not sure there were any. (Database wizards can set me straight on that though.)

I'm not sure there is a more expensive thing to do than making a stallion. Much, much luck and good fortune to you.

[cj55]

CJ:

Unless you have a band of mares like Claiborne he may never prove himself.

My take on him is that his fee is really $1,500.00. I questioned immediately discounting his fee 50% before he's covered a mare. If the mare owner calls at 3K then you can discount that foal if necessary to seal the deal. How does it feel for the person who signes a 3K contract to see the next two mares covered at half price. What I'm trying to say is I believe YOU have devalued him before he has covered a mare.
I hope he covers 100 mares and that he is very successful but the road ahead is long and tough. Respectfully

Hi HP,
We are not Claiborne, but we do offer special considerations for mare owners who have quality mares.
I hope we have not devalued him to his clients, the $1500 is due when mare is covered and is LFG. (2 of the mare owners we got yesterday did that, the other 2 mare owners opted for a negotiated fee due when LFSN) All contract options are discussed and mare owners choose which way they want to go. We also offer a 2 for 1 deal this year, more mares to the stallion - we are trying to support mare owners in this way who support him. And we have the Breeding Right contract available also.
Thank you for your comments and we know it is a challenge but believe he is worthy of the opportunity.

[hpkingjr]

I would expect 90% of your seasons to be the $1,500.00 variety. If the average cover is April 1, those folks would pay an additional expense in interest of around $100.00 versus the LFSN and save $1,500.00 from the LFSN offer. I sure would pony up the $1,500.00 on cover and save $1,400.00. Your deal was a little too sweet.

[cj55]

hpkingjr,
We gave it some thought believe me, after discussions with other stallion owners. The thought is/was the mare owner gets a great deal including a LFG, we get more mares to our stallion in his first year. We also get the fee up front, this will help pay the expenses associated with promoting him and his maintenance at an outside stallion station etc. We have been told many broodmare owners do not pay until they have to register the foal or when they take it to a sale. We also discussed NG fees but really did not think that was as good for the mare owners. We are trying to be resonable and to attract mare owners to consider him in his first year. It is an introductory incentive and we wanted it to be in the mare owners favor, hopefully they will agree with you that is a "sweet deal". Thanks for your thoughts, cj

[Jenny]

A lot of farms have a half price, No Guarantee stud fee. I personally would not do that. It would be my luck that would be the year my tried, tested and true broodmare would slip.!!!!

[cj55]

I haven't seen your stallion either but you might want to look at the history of the California Cinderella stallions Cee's Tizzy, Smokester and Unusual Heat all of whom had credentials on paper not much different than your horse. In every instance, the owner(s) of the stallion bred, raised and raced virtually the entire first crop until the sire proved himself on the track. I know Smokester and Cee's Tizzy were essentially free to outside mares but I'm not sure there were any. (Database wizards can set me straight on that though.)

I'm not sure there is a more expensive thing to do than making a stallion. Much, much luck and good fortune to you.

Hi Sysonby.
We are breeding our mares to him and plan on racing them just for that reason also, to get some good runners out there. We don't believe free to just any mare is what we want to do. Special considerations to the right mares YES, but if a mare owner doesn't have enough faith in their mare to pay a resonable fee for a foal out of her, that doesn't send a very good feeling our way either if you know what I mean.
Yes your right it is not cheap for sure! Thank you for your wish of good luck ( that is needed to ) and good fortune. Best regards, cj