How would you feel?

halfbridled · Postby **halfbridled** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:01 pm

I'd hope you get some answers on your mare.

There was a rescue I had been looking at in May 2006 in PA..had odd circumstances surrounding his "demise" as well: http://www.netposse.com/stolenmissing/HonorBoyMissingMay06.htm
He is/was a Slew son..quite a twisted story.

Is there a way to try to cheat the JC? If you had a few mares, could you breed the stolen one but register the foal under another name and hope not to get caught? Thought the same for the stallion I mentioned..they could register the offspring to a horse they had papers for but they would really be getting slew grandbabies..

It's either that or slaughter.

Laurierace · Postby **Laurierace** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:12 pm

Shoot I think I would be sitting in jail right now after they pried me off that vet's dead body. I hope this was a valuable mare so you can sue in civil court for her loss as well as your emotional distress. I would go to the ends of the earth to make sure a huge price was paid. I am so sorry this happened to you, what a nightmare.

surprisewind · Postby **surprisewind** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:12 pm

madelyn wrote:It really sounds suspicious.. on the other hand, what would someone do with your mare without her registration papers, nor any way to get them reissued and register her foals? Unless she headed to slaughter, which was in full swing in 2006.

Maybe "just" serious negligence that they were trying to cover up?

spex4me · Postby **spex4me** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:17 pm

well it doesn't matter if they were negligent or not if they are a wonderful state like Virginia and the only thing you can hope to redeem in a civil suit is the cost to replace the horse. And unless you have an appraisal good luck, as a lot of times they are viewed under one general category, LIVESTOCK, to which you might be able to redeem pound value.

Long story short: I lost a Great Dane in Nov '06 during a spay. Basically what came out of that was that, while sedated, they dropped my 150# dog on the floor/table flipped over. Proceeded to pull the table up and slap dog back on it to finish. Mind you this is a good 3.5 to 4 feet drop. To a hard floor. Don't think it can screw up things fling yourself down and see. Anyway they put her in the back of the kennel..... they forget she is there, and the receptionist who wanted to see the DANE, went back looking for her and found her dead, drowned in her own blood, about a gallon in her abdomen. (I also have this whole account of oh my we dropped the ball big time by them on tape)

We reported it to the VET BOARD....Let me go on record and say these boards are a bunch of f******g bull****. After she tells what happens (same as above) and proceeds to go but it wasn't me it was my staff , they obviously did not do their part right, the Vet Board concludes she has done NOTHING wrong and dismisses the whole freaking complaint. Even when they have a sworn statement from a vet tech that tried to tell her not to go on with surgery and she was basically told to shut up by this compassionate piece of shit vet. VET BOARDS PROTECT VETS.... if you never have to know that feeling I wish that, if you do just expect you can have the vet on video screwing up and nothing will come of it. (As you probably altered the video somehow :roll:

) And this was not even heard by them until Nov of 2007. So now we sit with an attorney contemplating the next move.

So my advice get an ATTORNEY. Right now there is nothing in place in many states to protect animal and owners rights. To say that one does not experience pure heartache at the loss of a "friend" makes me seeth with anger. My animals are not PURE poroperty...I sure as hell don't spend over 8k a year on my damn lawn mower. If the only thing that comes out of this is a monetary loss, then so be it, at least it was tried. Since Vets can charge as much as human doctors in many cases they need to be held just as responsible.

arsvcs · Postby **arsvcs** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:07 pm

spex4me - thank you, I know you know how I feel. So sorry to her about your dog. Doctors are held accountable for their actions and attorney fees are paid by the doctors, but not for vets. Agree that vets take up for vets - it's a clear as the writing on paper in black and white.

nythoroughbredvz · Postby **nythoroughbredvz** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:21 pm

its not to late, I would report her stolen, File a claim of neglect or wrong doing or theft by her for not giving you your mares remains. dead or alive she is your property and I would insist on getting her back assuring them that you will have DNA done to verify she is your mare..do whatever I needed to to have a day in court with this farm at any cost! then after you win the case wich you would. I would make sure it is published in every equine source known to man! I couldnt hit a woman but I would find the biggest chic I could find and pay her to whip her ass!

krp · Postby **krp** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:28 pm

This so called vet pads bills too, i can atest to that. She sure can tell you a line a bull****, again I can atest to that. I argued with her for over an hour about my bill. Extra charges for things I never gave her permission to do or asked for. What a real a**hole!! Everyone should go to the website and take a good look at her just in case your in her area you want to stay away!!!

spex4me · Postby **spex4me** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:04 pm

If this is indeed in Maryland you have a good attorney there you may want to talk to:

http://www.lawyers.com/animallaw

Best wishes for justice to prevail in the end for you and your mare.

surprisewind · Postby **surprisewind** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:06 pm

nythoroughbredvz wrote:its not to late, I would report her stolen, File a claim of neglect or wrong doing or theft by her for not giving you your mares remains. dead or alive she is your property and I would insist on getting her back assuring them that you will have DNA done to verify she is your mare..do whatever I needed to to have a day in court with this farm at any cost! then after you win the case wich you would. I would make sure it is published in every equine source known to man! I couldnt hit a woman but I would find the biggest chic I could find and pay her to whip her ass!

That's a pretty good point, along with doing a DNA verification on the "jar." Those people ( I use the word loosley) should be able to provide the final resting place.And as morbid as it may be, exhumation would provide testable material. I would also demand to watch, or have a person of mine watch, the exhumation process.

I'm sorry, I know it's not a good thought...

westover · Postby **westover** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:59 am

I agree. I would stop at nothing until you know forsure what she is really gone. My heart really goes out to you. I would say 98% that something is definitly shady (sketchy). I cannot think of another person yet alone a bloody vet who wouldn't call when the mare took ill. Honesly i cannot even tell you how mad that makes me. Don't let up on that woman no matter what you do. Make her as uncomfortable about it as you possibly can.

Skipitgirl · Postby **Skipitgirl** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:23 am

If dug up would the mane hair still be good enough to send to the JC for verification? I would think so.

surprisewind · Postby **surprisewind** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:43 am

... depending on soil and weather conditions. Also viable may be long bones... once upon another life i was trained as a forensic anthropologist....

wilf · Postby **wilf** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:18 am

I would have worn my smelliest overcoat covered in all sorts of putrified matter and swept into her living room where I would have remained asking "where is my horse?" repeatedly . If the police were called ,well even better. It's precisely that this woman gets away with stuff that she keeps on doing it.

arsvcs · Postby **arsvcs** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:20 am

Are you ready for this! I called the vet med board yesterday and stated that I couldn't believe that they dismissed the complaints and I asked if I could request that a formal hearing be held. I was told no, because once there office receives a complaint they make the determination to have a informal or formal hearing and in some cases they don't have hearings. Also anything from there investigation for the informal and formal hearings, I would not be entitled to know or have. It would be the boards discreation if they want to tell me or not. Basically it's not for public information. I asked who the board answered to and I was told that there word is the final decision and they don't report to anyone. What a joke - I told them that I had contacted the Gov. Ofc to investigate further. the board was not happy about that, but did say that they had been fielding questions all day back to the Gov. ofc. I also contacted the local news station for them to investigate also. I'm trying!! It's not about money, it's the principal of the complaints and the response that "no violations were found under the state laws and regulations".

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:34 am

madelyn wrote:It really sounds suspicious.. on the other hand, what would someone do with your mare without her registration papers, nor any way to get them reissued and register her foals? Unless she headed to slaughter, which was in full swing in 2006.

You know, I rethought this.. they could use her for embryo transplant. Go back and find the guy who told you the vet sold your mare. It is actually possible she aborted, and the fetus IS hers. It would DNA verify. Maybe she hung on to it as some perverted proof your mare died, and has her elsewhere in an embryo transplant program. Demand the mare's remains. You might have to get a court order, try the police first. You believe your mare was stolen.

Otherwise, there would be no way for her to get a fetus out of a dead mare unless she cut it out.

By the way, I went to that website, and the stallion page creeped me out. The SOB died in 2005 and she still has frozen semen??