How would you feel?

[Mood Swings]

Shoot I think I would be sitting in jail right now after they pried me off that vet's dead body. I hope this was a valuable mare so you can sue in civil court for her loss as well as your emotional distress. I would go to the ends of the earth to make sure a huge price was paid. I am so sorry this happened to you, what a nightmare.

I agree!! Terrible that the vet board is so apparently "useless"

Spex - I am sorry about your dog

Makes me sick and angry that a vet of all people is such a slime. I hope you succeed in ruining her reputation - that is the least that she deserves Good luck with getting this resolved!

[Diane]

Unbelievable that she could get away with it? Completely believable! We are 3 years into a fraud case ourselves, guy walked into a medical clinic and claimed he hurt himself on the job....No one ever called to confirm he was our employee and when the bills went unpaid guess who they came after? Workman's Comp denied his claim and his appeal but yet WE are still on the hook because he gave the name of our business. We will be going to a jury trial to finally end this guys charade along with his scum lawyer's game. Their game is it will cost us more in our own attorney fees to protect ourselves than to give them $10k so they expect us to cave. Wrong...we're going all the way with a 'dog and pony show' per our attorney. It's very frustrating and the whole story is so unbelievable. I am so thankful that I'm not in your shoes but can sympathize with your frustration. It must be driving you crazy. The facility looks like a very nice place, I would use it.....keep telling your story because you may prevent someone else from suffering when this gal makes another big F***UP and can't bring herself to tell the owner ..... Hang in there and so sorry you are suffering.

[arsvcs]

STATE BOARD OF VETERINARY MEDICAL EXAMINERS
COMPLAINT FORM
1. YOUR INFORMATION: Name: Pet's name: Salomay Age: 6 Area code and telephone:
Species:_Equine_________ Breed:__Thoroughbred___________
Address: _________________________________ Date(s) of treatment:___28 May 2006__________________ Street Address
Reason(s) for visit: _Visit my thoroughbred horses ___
and to take pictures of them.__________________________ City, State, Zip code
________________________________________________
2. COMPLAINT AGAINST: Veterinarian's Name: _Dr. Judy Tubman, VMD___________________ Clinic's name: Centreville Equine/Glasgow Farms________ Clinic's address:_31239 Chesterville Bridge Road, Millington, MD 21651._________________________________________________
3. IF OTHER VETERINARIANS TREATED YOUR PET AFTER THE VETERINARIAN LISTED ABOVE, PLEASE PROVIDETHEIR INFORMATION BELOW:
Veterinarian's Name:____N/A________________________ Clinic's name: _____________________________________ Clinic's address: ____________________________________________________________________________________
Veterinarian's Name:__N/A_________________________ Clinic's name: ______________________________________ Clinic's address:_____________________________________________________________________________________
4. HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE VETERINARIAN IN YOUR COMPLAINT? Yes _____X______ No ____________
If yes, what was the result? _"I just didn't know how to tell you"._________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________________
5. HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE VETERINARIAN OR VETERINARY HOSPITAL LISTED IN #2, ABOVE, FOR ANY EXPENSES YOU INCURRED AS A RESULT OF SERVICES PROVIDED YOUR PET?
Yes ___________ No ____X________
6. IF THIS MATTER GOES TO A HEARING, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TESTIFY? Yes _____X______ No ____________
7. PROVIDE THE NAMES, ADDRESSES, AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS OF WITNESSES. Name: Name: Address: Street Address Street Address
__Rising Sun, MD 21911____________________________ ________________________________________ City, State, Zip Code City, State, Zip Code
Area Code and Telephone
Area Code and Telephone:_________________________
8. STATE THE NATURE OF YOUR COMPLAINT BELOW. INCLUDE ANY PERTINENT DATES. IF YOU HAVE ANY BILLS, MEDICAL RECORDS, LABORATORY RESULTS, RADIOGRAPHS, OR OTHER DOCUMENTATION, PLEASE ATTACH THESE
ITEMS TO YOUR COMPLAINT. PLEASE USE ADDITIONAL SHEETS IF NECESSARY.*____________________________________________________________________________________________________
1. Failure to notify owners () of the death of Salomay, boarded at Glasgow Farms.____
2. Giving false information or lying to me when asked about Salomay. Conduct unbecoming of a _____
___professional._______________________________________________________________________________________
____________________________________________________________________________________________________
On 28 May 2006, C. and myself went to Centreville Equine/Glasgow Farms to visit and take pictures of my horses. C. and I walked to the paddock where my mare was suppose to be and we were unable to locate her. We went to the office and asked where she was. S. told us that Salomay was in the paddock behind the barn. C. and I both stated that we were just out there and Salomay wasn't there. S. said to go back out there, she's out there grazing. We proceeded to the paddock behind the barn and walked around the paddock, with no sign of Salomay. She was being field boarded and she had no run in shed, but was supposed to have had one. The paddock was an open field, Salomay was no where to be found. We started walking back to the office and saw E. so we asked her. E. told us that she hadn't seen her for a few days, I think she was sold. C and I headed back to the office wondering what was going on. Before we got to the office we went to another paddock where we saw Dr. Tubman walking out of another paddock. C. and I asked Dr. Tubman if she could tell us where Salomay was. Dr. Tubman told us that she was in the paddock behind the barn, grazing (pointing in the direction of the barn). I told her that we had just left there and she was not there. Dr. Tubman said "I just saw her, she's in there". So started back to the paddock, but Dr. Tubman stops us and said I'm sorry, Salomay died a few days ago. She said she didn't know how to tell us. I asked how she died and Dr. Tubman stated that she had coliced. Dr. Tubman said that she burried her behind the back paddock behind the barn. Before we left she said that she removed the fetus from Salomay (Salomay was in foal) and put it in a jar for me to take home. I questioned her why
Signature: ___________________________________



* NOTE: YOUR COMPLAINT, AS PART OF THE BOARD'S RECORD, IS SUBJECT TO THE MARYLAND PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT.ORDINARILY, IT MAY NOT BE INSPECTED BY THE PUBLIC. HOWEVER, A COPY ORDINARILY IS FURNISHED TO THE
VETERINARIAN WHO IS THE SUBJECT OF THE COMPLAINT, AND THAT INDIVIDUAL IS ASKED TO RESPOND TO IT.
MAIL YOUR COMPLAINT TO: State Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners
Maryland Department of Agriculture50 Harry S. Truman Parkway
Annapolis, MD 21401
Telephone:
(410) 841-5862
Facsimile:
(410) 841-5999
Website:
www.mda.state.md.us
Rev. 1/05

CONT. she didn't call and the only response was that she didn’t know how to tell us. C. and I were furious and were yelling and cursing at Dr. Tubman and had here in tears. On my way home, I called my wife, and explained to her what Dr. Tubman had said. She also wanted to know why Dr. Tubman didn't notify us.

My wife called and spoke with Dr. Tubman and asked her why she didn't notify us. Dr. Tubman stated “that she just didn’t know how to tell us with everything that was going on, Salomay coliced and that happens all the time with horses”. My wife told Dr. Tubman that she needed a necropsy report faxed to the Jockey Club in order to get the death certificate and that she would need a copy also. Dr. Tubman said that she would fax it to them and make her a copy.



1. We find this very irresponsible and wrong for our mare to have died; a necropsy performed and buried 3 days before we, the owners, were notified. Dr. Tubman and S. lied repeatedly that Salomay was out in the back paddock behind the barn knowing that Salomay had died 3 days earlier.

2. A copy of the necropsy was requested on several occasions; however, we still do not have a copy.

3. Salomay was also on Strongid C2X, a feed to help prevent colic. At least this is what we understood from Dr. Tubman.

Attached: Exhibit #1 – Letter from PreventiCare
Exhibit #2 – Strongid C2X information

















-3-

[spex4me]

Well I can also tell you that a so called FORMAL hearing is just a bigger pile of S**T. We had the formal hearing and the senior vet looks at us and begins with these what if's.....what if this what if that.... they were weak but he thought he was dealing with an uneducated moron apparently. When I answered back to his what if's he just said well we can't be 100 PERCENT sure now can we........Well jerkoff we CAN BE 100% SURE of a dead animal. Don't think that went over well even though I politely worded it better. Of course your voice in a hearing is nothing...most Boards will put that out there. You are just a helpless observer. I thought for sure a dismissal meant we missed the boat as far as an attorney would see the case....not so. Ours said that it is VERY COMMON for vet boards to find in favor of the vet almost always..... he told us you have to be mindful that Vet Malpractice is very new and all vets know that once that floodgaete is opened watch the hell out. So it is protect thy brother no matter what. Another interesting tidbit, a lot of vets can get ONE MILLION dollars worth of liabilty coverage for less than $200 dollars a year. hmmmmm......

Thank God we now have a great small animal and equine vet that both have agreed to testify as expert witnesses should they need to. Both are fairly new and devout animal lovers who say they would want any professional held to the standard they should be accountable for as part of their job anyway.

You are also losing valuable time dealing with those monkeys on the board, if you continue to go after them do it as well as retain legal counsel for yourself. Most places have a 2 year statute of limitations on which to file the claim. Md may be different. GOOD LUCK!!!

Here's another great resource should you need it:
http://www.aldf.org Animal Legal Dense Fund

[arsvcs]

THIS IS THE VET'S RESPONS TO THE VET MED. BOARD


Please accept the following correspondence as my response to the written complaints; issued against me. I will address each of the complaints in this singular
letter.
1. Solomay
The horse Solomay was found dead in the field. When R. was seen in
his pick-up truck on the farm, I jumped in my truck and drove out to meet him. In addition to R., C. was in the truck when I approached the vehicle. We both stopped our trucks and I informed both R. and C. about Solomay's death. At no tiime did I lie to them and suggest that the animal was grazing somewhere else on the property. I would not do that and would have nothing to gain by such a lie. Contrary to the owners' assertions, at no time did they request a copy of any necropsy
report. Their only request was that the insurance forms he completed.
indeed, by the time the owners were informed, I had performed the necropsy and buried the animal. By the time I discovered Solornay at 7:00 a.m., rigor mortis was already setting in. Moreover. the animal was bloating badly. If l delayed the post then it would be difficult if not
impossible to identify the actual cause of death. Additionally, a friend of mine who has a backhoe was only available in the early afternoon to assist in burial of the horse. My property has problems with wild dogs. For these reasons, I believed it was prudent to post and to bury Solomay in a prompt manner.
Carol R. Rcynolds
February 2 1,2007
Page 2
Though I do not now have a specific recollection of attcmpting to notify R. or A. prior to an owner arriving at the farm, it is in my notes that I made a call in an attempt to notify the owners of the death. External examination fo the mare, when she was found, revealed multiple abrasions present on the horse's skin and the ground adjacent to and surrounding Solomay was uneven from being trampled by the horse's hooves. These changes were suggestive of a horse that had
an acute abdomen or some oher painful event. Necropsy of the horse revealed transmural hemorrhage and edema present in the walls of both the duodenum and proximal jejunurn. The stomach was distendcd with voluminous amounts of ingesla indicating gastric reflux. Though the
greator curature of the stomach was ruptured, the advanced autolysis of the horse precluded determining if the rupture was antcmortem or postmortem. The necropsy indicated anterior enteritis, also known as proximal cntcritis-jejunitis. The cause of this syndrome is unknown but
has been reported in the Northeadern states (as well as other places) and is more conirnonly seen in hot weather. I then concluded that Solomay had died from colic. Solomay was indeed on a daily anthelmintic, Strongid CZX, to assist in the prevention 01-colic fiom parasitc infestation. This anthelmintic, however. does not prevent colics caused by numerous other entities (bacteria, anterior cnteritis. abnormal physiology, malposition. etc).

Keep in mind that MD does not have any wild dogs.

[Cathyleabo]

Can you persue this in Civil court? It just infuriates me that this may go unpunished! Good luck, and I hope you can nail these creeps.

[arsvcs]

THIS WAS OUR REBUTTAL

Dear Ms. Reynolds,

1. Reference my original complaints:

a. Death of Salomay
b. Dispensing of Prescription Drugs

2. My rebuttal to Dr. Tubman’s responses to my complaints.

a. Death of Salomay. As will become evident below, Dr. Tubman’s account of her actions surrounding the death of Salomay is inaccurate. Dr. Tubman has even repeatedly misspelled the mare’s name throughout her response.
b. My wife and I were at Glasgow Farm on a regular basis.
C. and I were at Glasgow Farm several times during each week and even more during breeding season; our stallion was standing at Glasgow Farm. My wife, c. and I were at Glasgow Farm specifically on 25 May 06, 26 May 06 and 27 May 06 around 5:30 p.m. 6:00 p.m. each day for breeding’s until 8:30 p.m. – 9:00 p.m. We did not leave until after the breeding’s, because I was the stallion handler and C. held the mares. After each breeding, my wife and I helped Dr. Tubman clean up the breeding shed and around the stocks where the mare was prepped for breeding. At no time were we told about the death of Salomay by Dr. Tubman. Dr. Tubman doesn’t mention any date as to when she claims she approached me with the death of Salomay, because C. and I approached her trying to locate Salomay. Dr. Tubman never jumped into her truck and approach mine during 25 - 28 May 06 or any other date. C. and I were at Glasgow Farm for quite sometime, seeing my stallion and taking pictures. We had already been to the paddock where Salomay was normally kept and were not able to find her. We only occasionally see or talk to the employees of Dr. Tubman and are not familiar with the names. On our way back from the paddock the 1st time, E. was coming out of another paddock and we asked her where Salomay was. E. stated that she hadn’t seen her for a few days and thought that she may have been sold. It was after we had went back to the paddock for a second time and started coming back that we saw Dr. Tubman coming out of another paddock and we then approached her. Dr. Tubman stated that Salomay was in the paddock behind the barn, she had just seen her grazing. We told her that we didn’t see Salomay there. Dr. Tubman along with the office lied to C. and I. We started to proceed to the paddock again and Dr. Tubman stopped me and stated “wait a minute, Salomay died a few days ago; I just didn’t know how to tell you”. I told her that this was unacceptable; she has to do this all the time in her line of work. Dr. Tubman didn’t know what to say, other then she was sorry and she started to cry. We went back to the office together and I kept asking her why? When we arrived at the office Dr. Tubman stated that Salomay must have coliced some time during the night and explained that the ground was disturbed around where she was found in the morning. Dr. Tubman said she removed the foal that she was carrying and she gave me a jar with a fetus in it. At this point Dr. Tubman was unaware that we had the horses insured, so she would not have known that we needed a necropsy done. On 29 May 06, my wife contacted the insurance company to find out what was needed to file an insurance claim for the death of Salomay. The insurance company faxed information to fill out and obtain a necropsy report. Dr. Tubman may have done a necropsy at the time of death; I am not able to say if she did or did not. It wasn’t until 29 May 06, my wife contacted Dr. Tubman wanting to know what happened to Salomay. Dr. Tubman stated that they found her in the paddock dead and it looked like she had coliced.
c. My wife explained to Dr. Tubman what she needed for the insurance company and Dr. Tubman said that she would fill out the form and fax it directly to the insurance company and fax a copy to us. An attempt was made to fax something from Glasgow Farms, however, nothing came through and K., Dr. Tubman’s office manager, was notified. K. stated that she would let Dr. Tubman know that the necropsy did not come through. Since then we have asked for a copy repeatedly and Dr. Tubman has not provided us with a copy for our files.
d. At no time did Dr. Tubman contact us in reference to alomay’s death before C. and I asked about her. I as the owner should have been notified immediately so that I could make the decision as to what would be done with the remains. Dr. Tubman did not give me; as the owner, the right to make that decision, Dr. Tubman took it upon herself. Dr. Tubman had no authority to make any decision with Salomay. Salomay was buried on Dr. Tubman’s orders to the person who had the backhoe. This was not Dr. Tubman’s choice or option. It was the mare’s owners.

Dr. Tubman states in her response that she found Salomay at 7:00 a.m. and rigor mortis had set in. There was never any mention from Dr. Tubman to us that rigor mortis had set in; in fact the first time I heard of this was when I read her responses. If Dr. Tubman found her at 7:00 a.m., the question still remains, why didn’t she notify us at that point on the day it actually happened? Dr. Tubman has cell numbers for my wife, C. and I. Dr. Tubman states that she had a friend with a back hoe that was only available in the early afternoon. Well if Dr. Tubman had notified us immediately we would have been able to go to Glasgow Farm, before early afternoon then she could have at least covered Salomay with a tarp. I have been at Glasgow Farm for many hours at a time, morning, noon, afternoon and evening hours and I have never seen any wild dogs in the area. In fact Dr. Tubman has never mention anything about wild dogs in the area. As far as I know there are no wild dogs in Maryland that would even attempt to do anything with a horse. The only animals that she has ever complained about were deer and she has stated that she has that under control. Dr. Tubman allows hunters on her property to keep them out. As far as burying Salomay in the proper manner, it should have been to notify us and allow us to make the decision, since we were the rightful owners of the horse, not Dr. Tubman. The only call that Dr. Tubman made to us was late afternoon to make arrangements for us to come to Glasgow Farm for a breeding at 5:30 p.m. No attempt was made for anything else and we were at Glasgow Farm each evening for breeding’s for 3 days before we strangely found out Salomay had died. If Dr. Tubman’s notes reflect telling us anything about the death, they have been filled in after she received the complaint to cover her own tracks.


In any event, Dr. Tubman’s accounting is wholly inaccurate. While reviewing her bills, we have discovered repeated errors. Examples: over charging for boarding days, duplicate charges, over charging for boarding fees in accordance with our agreement, charging board for days a horse was not boarded, charging care for a horse which was not provided to that horse. These discrepancies have been discussed with Dr. Tubman on many occasions but have never been resolved by her. While I recognize that monetary issues are not the oversight of the Board, I merely mention these accounting discrepancies as bearing upon Dr. Tubman’s credibility and here account of what she claims happened to Salomay and Frisky. These complaints have been filed because of her violation of professional ethics.

I have attached copies of phone records for my home, my wife's cell phone, C. cell phone and my cell phone.

To adequately investigate Salomay’ death, there are witnesses who have relevant information and can testify before the Board to assist it in obtaining the full truth of the situation surrounding the complaint. They include:


DO YOU THINK THAT SHE HAS VIOLOATED ANY STATE LAWS OR REGULATIONS!!!!!! I think so, but the vet med board says "NO".

[westover]

Is each state governed by its own vet board? Is there a National board that each state would fall under their umbrella?

It makes me so mad i cannot stand it. I looked at the site and googled Dr. Tubman. I learned along time ago that the look of a place good or bad means nothing.

[TrueColours]

Is it possible for you to get hold of any past employees that were in the employee of the farm at the time of your mare's "death"?

Perhaps they might have an interesting tale to tell if they are no longer working for them now ...

I am so sorry. This story is completely unbelievable. Yes - things happen and I believe that all horse owners are cognizant of that fact, but for God's sakes - call the owner and tell them. Dont cover things up - literally and figuratively speaking ...

[nferro9925]

What else is creepy is in the aerial view there are NO horses
Anywhere on this farm.....

[Barbaro06]

What a shame...wonder if there has been other complaints about this farm...

This says it all on the webpage: ~ We do not provide 24 hour supervision of horses. ~

Hmmmm.....

[arsvcs]

There is one mexican that works there, doesn't speak much English. The girl that worked in the office quit not to long after Salomay died, but I never saw her to much. The book keeper is there spareingly, I think I only saw her twice within a year. The young girl there was only summer help and she went back to college. The only other person there helping has been there all along, but never talk to much to her at all. The vet has a few other people come in and help once in a while, but I don't know there names, I only pass by them a few times going on and off the farm.

Kind of strange to see on the web site "We do not provide 24 hour supervision of horses". Her website never said that until after I submitted the complaints. I guess her attorney told her to put that there. It use to say " vet on premises 24/7".

Yes the farm may look nice and clean, but it's only a couple years old and there were never more then 5 horses there at a time, that I know of. If they were, they would come in for treatment and leave.

[habitat]

arsvcs,

Did the insurance cover the mare or is the vet withholding information? Was the insurance adequate to cover the mare's value in foal? What is your total monetary loss?

[Regal13]

I keep wondering to myself as I read through this thread if there's anything we as a horse community could do to help this situation out. The contact information for this vet (address, e-mail and phone number directly to Judy Tubman, DVM) are located right on the website. If she started getting bombarded with letters and e-mails from horsepeople from all over the country demanding that she take some kind of responsibility and accountability for her actions, do you all think it would do anything??? Maybe we could send letters to the Maryland vet board demanding that it be investigated further???? I think the least this vet could do would be to show you the hole where she was buried (trust me, even two years later you can still see a hole where a 1 ton animal was buried, it never evens out right unless you continually level the dirt as the animal decomposes and then sod over it) that way you can get some DNA (I'm positive that you can still get viable DNA). I'm willing to bet that this mare was sold. Was this a valuable mare? (I don't mean to sound cruel, but I guess what I mean is was she worth the money to go through stealing and selling????) I can't even explain how outraged I am by this situation, I can't even imagine what you must be going through.....

[arsvcs]

Habitat - insurance paid cost of mare only.
Regal13 - You know that might be a good idea if letters were sent to the MD vet. med board and for that matter to MD Governor O'Malley since he is the one that appoints the board members. I really don't think calling the vet or sending her letters will do anything, I think that would give her pleasure that she got over on me. We are thinking about going to court to get her remains, but they would have to be DNA tested to make sure there Salomay's. Someone on the forum brought that to our attention. Salomay was not an expensive mare, but it the principal of the issue.