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Postby Marli » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:12 am

Just finished reading this bizarre account- and I concur it's the principle of the unacceptable behavior. Just unbelievable!!!

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Postby Taino » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:51 pm

I too just finished reading this, and what a shame! I saw this mare at Plane Tree Farm years ago, and my filly raced twice against Salomay's daughter, Game N Laughin, in May and June '06. I feel your heartache.

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Postby shanova » Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:35 am

I am so, SO sorry for your loss as there are NO words to truly express my feelings on this.

I can say this, I would have local authorities involved as there would be a report on record regarding the loss, hopefully an investigation. I would report this vet to licensing agencies, I would also be finding myself an attorney...

I, myself, would be behind bars after tearing the place apart looking for MY mare and PROOF of what happened to her!

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Postby lucalucaluca » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:29 am

any updates on this? your mare is not dead, she might have been sold as a AI receptor mare where it wouldn't matter if she's officially deceased for the Jockey Club statistics. I am so sure this mare didn't die of colic, just because I've known cases like that - unfortunately - happened to a friend of mine with her showjumping horse during one summer here in Brazil. The so-called trainer told her her horse had died in the field, she mourned and all, never seen the body, because he told her he had the horse cremated, and to her surprise, her very alive horse showed up a couple of years after in a showjumping competition in another state. She didn't sue him, because here in Brazil things don't work like that, but filed a police report and left the sport for good, after a few disappointments and that big last disappointment. So, things like that do happen. There are some really bad apples and I would stop at nothing to find out where my mare is, unless a body appears and a DNA is done and case closed, even though, make sure that death occurred then and not after she got "caught".

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Postby lucalucaluca » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:10 pm

any update? did the mare really died?

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Postby soundfast » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:33 pm

I witnessed a veterinarian who claims to specialize in horses kill my mare. He was called to help deliver her foal. He pulled the front half of the dead foal out and then he threw her down and he shoved the back half of the foal back inside of her. He reached his arm inside of her and killed her. I told the state police who did nothing. I told the Governors office the FBI and finally filed a complaint with the Board Of Veterinary Medicine who decided there was "insufficient evidence". I emailed the only medical malpractice lawyer in the area but got no reply. I contacted the AVMA and a lot of other people. His attorney wrote me that I did not have the right to tell the truth after the Board refused to do anything to him. I emailed the Board about not doing anything and complained to the Governor again. I never succeeded in getting anyone to do anything to stop him. He killed someone elses mare that I heard about also. His name is Randall Scarrow and unless he has moved again he is practicing in Phenix,Virginia and previously practiced in Manakin Sabot and another hospital in the western part of the state. He has or had Southside Equine Services. He is so incompetent it is impossible for me to believe he ever graduated from vet school. He said that is impossible to spay mares and that he was incapable of doing a cesarian section and there were only 2 places in the state that could. A competent vet can remove the entire foal without injury to the mare and the proper procedure calls for the mare to remain standing. A complaint that I filed about another vet who pulled a calf with a truck after saying she could not do a cesarian or a fetotomy resulted in no action being taken against her. Years later she still has her license and I was told by someone that she ripped him off for thousands of dollars and his dog was no better until he went to another vet. Her name is Jennifer Edens and she has been at both LaCrosse and Kenbridge(Lunenburg Animal Hospital)Her maiden name was Poythress and I doubt she graduated from vet school. Anyone that can spay a dog could do a cesarian since it is easier than spaying. I hope you get justice in this lifetime and I hope these 2 suffer like they deserve and the people who did nothing that could have stopped them suffer also.

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Postby spex4me » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:28 pm

Soundfast-

Welcome to the Commonwealth of Virginia...... That Vet board in Richmond, is a useless bunch of monkeys with their thumbs up their ......well you know where I am going with that. Sorry to hear about you tragic loss too. These stories should never exist today, yet they do. Why?

Also never email attorneys. Call them first to advise you can email the incident for further details if they are interested. You'd be suprised at how many attorney's secretarys decide what stays and what goes.
trying to come up with something brillant..... this may take a while. :)

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Postby soundfast » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:15 pm

If everybody would do their job instead of "passing the buck" to the Vet Board maybe some of these poor excuses for DVMs would go to prison. The only people that can give them a license or take it away is the Vet Board and they refuse to do their job. The Governor appoints the people on the board and they serve for a period of years. The Governor could demand the resignation of Board Members who do not do their job but as far I know it has not ever happened. Cruelty charges can be filed for killing someone else's animal even if the animal did not suffer but if the killer is licensed as an animal doctor they will not do anything. I gave the names of those 2 vets? that I know of in the hope that other people will avoid them and not lose their animals or have them suffer at their hands. Lawyers are usually only interested in fattening their own wallets and if the animal is not extremely valuable they are not interested. I have since heard of people suing in another state for "special value" which allows them to collect much more than their economic loss. "Special value" could be enough to make a lawyer interested if one can prove it.

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Postby clh » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:16 pm

Suing for general purposes sometimes is the best reason.....I did it once (a major 500 fortune company) and won. Wasn't about the money - wasn't asking for alot - just to be compensated for what we'd lost (they contaminated our well water, buried barrels of toxic waste in our back yard, our creek would turn green and pink - you know, just basic every day running a big business deal). Most vets on the farm are not equipped to doa full necropsy. I certainly hope you have pulled your stallions out of there and the other horses you had there IMMEDIATELY after the incident happened (contract or not). I too would demand the remains of my mare and have her DNA checked. Nothing like being sure. If she is in fact dead - can someone else at this late state determine the cause of death (probably not) - so you will probably never know what actually killed her (perhaps one of her stupid deer shooters shot the mare by mistake???) You will at least have the mare's remains and know whether your mare is dead. If it isn't your mare - then you truly have a suit on your hands. Sometimes, if both stories are partially true "I just didn't know how to tell you", blah, blah, blah" - nobody wins unfortunately. Get the mare back and then you'll know how to proceed.

Good luck! Sorry for your troubles - but believe me - trust no one with your horses - I'd trust my vet with my life - I still go see my horses every other day at least :shock:
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