Lets look at the NP influence of Rough'n Tumble dams that contributed soundness to his progeny.
Rough'n Tumble's dams had 16 crosses of NP & 0 crosses of Ph. Rough'n Tumble had 11 injuries & breakdowns thru inbreeding.
Rough'n Tumble is inbred 4 X 4 to Whiskbroom=Ben Brush---4 X 4 Spearmint=Carbine---4 X 4 Voter=Hermit.
Rough'n Tumble's soundness progeny were 141 starts BMS Roman=Teddy---124 starts BMS Bimelech=Peter Pan---105 Barbizon=Ph.
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When the stud career of a great stallion has come to an end, in the case of Ogden Phipps, the sire was bold ruler, who died in 1971, and the stock of the owner is full of the blood of that same stallion in the form of both sons and daughters, what you you use to continue the high quality of your breeding?
In the case of Ogden Phipps, it was perhaps inevitable that he should turn to Buckpasser as a mate for his Bold Ruler mares. Buckpasser's contained no Nasrullah, Bold Ruler, or Princequillo blood, and the cross seemed most inviting on paper.
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In the case of Ogden Phipps, it was perhaps inevitable that he should turn to Buckpasser as a mate for his Bold Ruler mares. Buckpasser's contained no Nasrullah, Bold Ruler, or Princequillo blood, and the cross seemed most inviting on paper.
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There was, in fact one serious drawback. Both Bold Ruler & Buckpasser carried a strong factor for unsoundness. When these two families were crossed, their progeny suffered from widespread unsoundness.
So frequently has this been the case, that not till 1980, when Quick as Lightning (Buckpasser--Clear Ceiling, by Bold ruler) won the 1000 Guineas did a single colt or filly by Buckpasser out of a Bold Ruler mare achieve high class performance. This qualifies as a negative nick in racing performance.
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So frequently has this been the case, that not till 1980, when Quick as Lightning (Buckpasser--Clear Ceiling, by Bold ruler) won the 1000 Guineas did a single colt or filly by Buckpasser out of a Bold Ruler mare achieve high class performance. This qualifies as a negative nick in racing performance.
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Louis, please, please don't perpetuate this sorry excuse for a subject by infringing the copyrights of famous books with wholesale theft of complete passages without any acknowledgments to the writers
"Who kills a man kills a reasonable creature, but he who destroys a good book kills reason itself." John Milton.
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My last two post were qouted from Abram hewitt's, book "Great Breeders & their Methods," Abram was a researcher like I am, & we will now see how the unsoundness of Buckpasser & Bold Ruler plays out into todays present time. I will post many examples of this negative nick tomorrow.
Thanks to Abram Hewitt for allowing me to post a passage of his great work. All the best, Louis.
Thanks to Abram Hewitt for allowing me to post a passage of his great work. All the best, Louis.
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louis finochio wrote:Lets look at the NP influence of Rough'n Tumble dams that contributed soundness to his progeny.
Rough'n Tumble's dams had 16 crosses of NP & 0 crosses of Ph. Rough'n Tumble had 11 injuries & breakdowns thru inbreeding.
Rough'n Tumble is inbred 4 X 4 to Whiskbroom=Ben Brush---4 X 4 Spearmint=Carbine---4 X 4 Voter=Hermit.
Rough'n Tumble's soundness progeny were 141 starts BMS Roman=Teddy---124 starts BMS Bimelech=Peter Pan---105 Barbizon=Ph.
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Speaking of which - his descendant Macho Uno had a good day as a sire today - Harlem Rocker in the Withers, and Macho Again in the Derby Trial. Let's hope he keeps this sire line going.
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Harlem Rocker has only 6 crosses of those Ph. foundation stallions that have produced the most injuries & breakdowns thru inbreeding in his non-fashion pedigree.
HR 6 crosses are Nasrullah---Mr. P. 2 crosses---Raise a Native 2 crosses---Northern Dancer.
HR 6 crosses are Nasrullah---Mr. P. 2 crosses---Raise a Native 2 crosses---Northern Dancer.
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Macho Again has only 6 crosses of Ph. & has no duplication of inbreeding within his 5 generaton pedigree. MA has only a few of those Ph. foundation stallions that have produced the most injuries & breakdowns, which are Native Dancer---Raise a Native---Nasrullah---Mr. P.
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Lets look at those Tb that were the bred from the Buckpasser, Bold Ruler negative nick that produced unsoundness.
2004 Jumped the Moon C, unraced---5 X 5 Buckpasser---5 X 5 Bold Ruler---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler.
2004 Sweet Rosie F, unraced---4 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler---3 X 4 Mr. P.
2004 Sweetstart F, unraced---4 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Buler.
2004 Swiss Treasure F, unraced---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler---3 X 5 Northern Dancer---5 X 5 Somethingroyal mare.
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2004 Jumped the Moon C, unraced---5 X 5 Buckpasser---5 X 5 Bold Ruler---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler.
2004 Sweet Rosie F, unraced---4 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler---3 X 4 Mr. P.
2004 Sweetstart F, unraced---4 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Buler.
2004 Swiss Treasure F, unraced---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler---3 X 5 Northern Dancer---5 X 5 Somethingroyal mare.
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Lets review those Tb that were bred from the Buckpasser, Bold Ruler negative nick that produced unsoundness.
2004 Power Source F, unraced---5 X 5 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler---4 X 5 Northern Dancer---4 X 5 Raise a Native---12 Ph.
2004 Audio Adrenaline F, unraced---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat, by Bold Ruler---4 X 5 Raise a Native---5 X 5 Royal Charger---12 Ph.
2004 Boxin Bob F, unraced---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler---3 X 4 Mr. P.---4 X 5 Northern Dancer---13 Ph.
2004 Sphinx Drinks C, unraced---5 X 5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat,by Bold Ruler---4 X 4 Mr. P.---4 X 5 Northern Dancer---13 Ph.
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2004 Power Source F, unraced---5 X 5 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler---4 X 5 Northern Dancer---4 X 5 Raise a Native---12 Ph.
2004 Audio Adrenaline F, unraced---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat, by Bold Ruler---4 X 5 Raise a Native---5 X 5 Royal Charger---12 Ph.
2004 Boxin Bob F, unraced---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat by Bold Ruler---3 X 4 Mr. P.---4 X 5 Northern Dancer---13 Ph.
2004 Sphinx Drinks C, unraced---5 X 5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Secretariat,by Bold Ruler---4 X 4 Mr. P.---4 X 5 Northern Dancer---13 Ph.
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Lets review those Tb that were bred from the Buckpasser, Bold Ruler negative nick that produced many unsound individuals.
2004 Bala Preta F. unraced---5 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Buckpasser---3 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 Nashua---11 Ph.
2003 A lot of Love F, 1 start---5 X 5 Bold Ruler---4 X 5 Buckpasser---3 X 3 Mr. P.---11 Ph.
1970 Buckelia C, unraced---Dam Lobelia by Bold Ruler.
1969 Buck Buck C, 8 starts non-winner Dam Cestrum by Bold Ruler.
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2004 Bala Preta F. unraced---5 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Buckpasser---3 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 Nashua---11 Ph.
2003 A lot of Love F, 1 start---5 X 5 Bold Ruler---4 X 5 Buckpasser---3 X 3 Mr. P.---11 Ph.
1970 Buckelia C, unraced---Dam Lobelia by Bold Ruler.
1969 Buck Buck C, 8 starts non-winner Dam Cestrum by Bold Ruler.
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New Approach (IRE) ch. C. 2005
Galileo---Park Express, by Ahonoora
New Approach is the Euro 2yr. old Champion of 2007, and one of the favorites to win the English TC.
New Approach has 7 crosses of Ph.---3 crosses of Teddy---1 cross Gainsborough---1 cross Swynford---1 cross Tourbillon---1 cross Chateau Bouscaut---1 cross Orby---1 cross Fair Play.
New Approach's 7 crosses of Ph. are all thru different individuals, the same breeding patterns that Barbaro, Afleet Alex & Curlin inherited from their outcross no duplication of inbreeding.
Galileo---Park Express, by Ahonoora
New Approach is the Euro 2yr. old Champion of 2007, and one of the favorites to win the English TC.
New Approach has 7 crosses of Ph.---3 crosses of Teddy---1 cross Gainsborough---1 cross Swynford---1 cross Tourbillon---1 cross Chateau Bouscaut---1 cross Orby---1 cross Fair Play.
New Approach's 7 crosses of Ph. are all thru different individuals, the same breeding patterns that Barbaro, Afleet Alex & Curlin inherited from their outcross no duplication of inbreeding.
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Well, Europe is far away from your shores:
New Approach was withdrawn as ante-post-favorite from the Epsom Derby and is intended to meet the French and English Derby-winner in the Irish Derby. According to his trainer, Bolger, this is a better prospect for a future stallion than being focussed on that old-fashioned race at Epsom.
In spite of this, the same trainer intended to target for the English TC with Teofilo a year ago. The English TC was last won by Nijinsky 38 years ago and after his defeat in the Arc, the St. Leger (14f) is avoided by top-class 3yos.
Nevertheless Barbaro had a career ending injury after few lifetime-starts although he had only 7 crosses of Phalaris. Don't forget: there is more variety in sire-lines in Europe than in the US, so in general the "Finochio-index" does not work over here.
New Approach was withdrawn as ante-post-favorite from the Epsom Derby and is intended to meet the French and English Derby-winner in the Irish Derby. According to his trainer, Bolger, this is a better prospect for a future stallion than being focussed on that old-fashioned race at Epsom.
In spite of this, the same trainer intended to target for the English TC with Teofilo a year ago. The English TC was last won by Nijinsky 38 years ago and after his defeat in the Arc, the St. Leger (14f) is avoided by top-class 3yos.
Nevertheless Barbaro had a career ending injury after few lifetime-starts although he had only 7 crosses of Phalaris. Don't forget: there is more variety in sire-lines in Europe than in the US, so in general the "Finochio-index" does not work over here.
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Divine Proportions went down with a tendon injury, was inbred 4 X 5 Native Dancer---5 X 5 Nasrullah---4 X 3 Northern Dancer. All Ph sire line foundation stallions that have produced the most injuries & breakdowns.
Teofilo 5 starts was injured early on, was inbred 5 X 5 RAN---3 X 4 Northern Dancer---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 X 5 Natalma dam of ND---all Ph. sire line Tbs, Teofilo's only NP inbreeding was thru Ribot 5 X 5.
Shamardal 7 starts was injured early on, was inbred 4 X 5 Halo---5 X 5 Hail to Reason---5 X 5 Natalma who broke down after 7 starts. Shamardal had 14 crosses of Ph.
These fashion-bred Tb will have many soundness problems on either side of the pond. Those /euro breeders have a surplus of Np sire lines to use as an outcross to breed back the soundness in their Tb. In the USA those fashion breeders shy away from those NP sire lines because they are breeding for speed not stamina.
Teofilo 5 starts was injured early on, was inbred 5 X 5 RAN---3 X 4 Northern Dancer---5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 X 5 Natalma dam of ND---all Ph. sire line Tbs, Teofilo's only NP inbreeding was thru Ribot 5 X 5.
Shamardal 7 starts was injured early on, was inbred 4 X 5 Halo---5 X 5 Hail to Reason---5 X 5 Natalma who broke down after 7 starts. Shamardal had 14 crosses of Ph.
These fashion-bred Tb will have many soundness problems on either side of the pond. Those /euro breeders have a surplus of Np sire lines to use as an outcross to breed back the soundness in their Tb. In the USA those fashion breeders shy away from those NP sire lines because they are breeding for speed not stamina.
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Lets review those Tb that were bred from the Buckpasser, Bold Ruler negative nick that produced unsoundness.
1971 Budgeting F, unraced---Dam Big Advance by Bold Ruler.
1976 Bucks Belle F, 9 starts---non winner, Dam Matriarch by Bold Ruler.
1973 Coin Silver F, 11 starts---1 win, Dam Overpowering by Bold Ruler.
1975 Crown Gift C, 3 starts---1 win, Dam Queen Empress by Bold Ruler
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1971 Budgeting F, unraced---Dam Big Advance by Bold Ruler.
1976 Bucks Belle F, 9 starts---non winner, Dam Matriarch by Bold Ruler.
1973 Coin Silver F, 11 starts---1 win, Dam Overpowering by Bold Ruler.
1975 Crown Gift C, 3 starts---1 win, Dam Queen Empress by Bold Ruler
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