Is Tiznow a great sire?

[bdw0617]

tiznow stands for what...40k? I'm starting to think tiznow might be up there as one of the better values at stud, if you breeding to race at least.


First of all, with the poly craziness that is going on, they love it.

But I was looking at the Hollywood futurity Enteries and I noticed that Tiznow has 2 starters in the race. And not just two horses, two of the better horses in the race. neither would shock me.

then I got to thinking, he is represented on the national stage as much as anyone else. He has sired alot of very very talanted horses. Bear Now, Folklore, Tough Tiz's Sis, Tiz Wonderful. Liqudity, slew's tiznow, colonel john.

2YO's like Basket Stich and Tizaqueena are future stakes horses.

for a 3 year period, I think you will be hard pressed to find 1 sire that represented. yes there are some, but by sires that are almost 8 times his stud fee and not by a hell of alot, if at all. he's doing it with not a great group of mares. and we are still in december of his 3rd crop.

[Rokeby Forever]

Tiznow stands for $30,000 in 2008, and if you race on artificials, he's worth every penny. He probably would have been a tremendous boost to the California breeding program for that reason, but there was no way that California was going to be able to stand him (sorry, Fastappy).

The rap on Tiznows is that they don't stay sound for too long, but since they like the artificials, maybe they'll last longer if they race on them more often.

[fastappy]

Obviously Tiznow is a controversial horse. Personally, I love him not just because he was a great race horse and grand looking, but also because he throws some top class race horses. I do think he is a hit & miss horse and you'll probably know what you have when it hits the ground. They definitely will get the distance as well.

Dear Roke: We don't need Tiznow we (California) have his Daddy & his full brother (Tizbud)!

Hey, here's a thread from Throughbredchampions.com Obviously people look at stallions differently.


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Would you consider Tiznow a flop?
« on: February 17, 2007, 03:40:16 AM »

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I LOVED him when he was running. Thought he had a great shot to become a fantastic sire - and he certainly has had the opportunity.

That said - is he a failure? Or is it too soon to say as he himself improved with age? His get have been well-received at the sales.

Two stakes winners from nearly 200 foals of racing age (not counting current 2yos) is atrocious, no?

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[Rokeby Forever]

Dear Roke: We don't need Tiznow we (California) have his Daddy & his full brother (Tizbud)!

But they carry the curse, Fastappy. LOL!

Like I wrote, Tiznow is far from a failure on Synthetics. He's #3 in North American earnings on Synthetics, only a few thousand behind AP Indy for #2.

Consider: Tiznow is #3 in 2007 NA Synthetic earnings with 146 starters on Synthetics this year.

Giant's Causeway: #6 with 142 starters

Smart Strike: #14 with 197 starters

Distorted Humor: #19 with 213 starters

Mr Greeley: #38 with 157 starters

Dynaformer: #88 with 154 starters

Compared to these much higher priced stallions, how is he a failure?

[going4stamina]

before we throw Tiznow under the bus from a soundness perspective...
maybe we should consider that he was a late maturing horse that did his best racing in the later part of his 3 year old year (then again at 4). I think some of his offspring were rushed into racing to make him at stud, commercially. Also, most of his offspring were given to "bullet works/vet 'em" trainers vs. "horsemen". If I owned a nice Tiznow horse (or any horse) I would pay special attention to their maturity and race when they are ready, not when I was ready.

[zinn21]

Stamina, that's an excellent assessment of Tiznow.

[Tairaterces]

before we throw Tiznow under the bus from a soundness perspective...
maybe we should consider that he was a late maturing horse that did his best racing in the later part of his 3 year old year (then again at 4). I think some of his offspring were rushed into racing to make him at stud, commercially. Also, most of his offspring were given to "bullet works/vet 'em" trainers vs. "horsemen". If I owned a nice Tiznow horse (or any horse) I would pay special attention to their maturity and race when they are ready, not when I was ready.

One of the things that really pizzed me off about Michael Cooper is when he took Tizbud away from Jay Robbins. Tizbud showed the same potential as his big brother . . . . . . what a damn waste!!!!!

T


PS: Congrats to Jay Robbins on his G1 win with Johnny Eves

[Keith]

Da' Tara by Tiznow-Torchera by Pirate's Bounty wins the Belmont Stakes

Tiznow finally gets a classic winner


Keith

[Mali]

That female family has been H-O-T this year. It's funny, in my opinion the 3 best bred horses for the distance finished 1-2-3 (dh for 3) in the Belmont.

Pedigree plays a huge part of the test of champions.

[geowarrior]

Good for Tiznow. And it was on plain old DIRT!

[LB]

Tiznow finally gets a classic winner

Finally??

Tiznow had his first runners in 2005, so he only has three crops old enough to win one of the classics. Nine potential tries and he's won one doesn't sound too bad to me.

[Danzig]

Northern Dancer was a great sire.

Tiznow is a good sire up to now. However, it certainly will be interesting to see how his career unfolds as he gets a few more crops to the races.

[Dave C]

I'm certainly cheering for him. He's one of my favourite racehorses so I hope he continues to do well in the sire department, his percentages (TBTimes stallion rankings) seem to coming up pretty good compared to the company he's in so maybe the commercial market will warm to him more in the next few years or maybe he will be another Wild Again.

Is he the next 'sire of sires' now that the old guard seems ready to pass the torch?

[Mali]

He's a very good synthetics stallion but a spotty dirt stallion.