Pasture breeding

fullspeed · Postby **fullspeed** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:00 pm

Did they observe this from the road or did they come onto your property? Be very careful with your situation and don't assume it is going to end here. If they wanted you to sign over they will probably be back.....sorry you are going through this.

KamiBrooks · Postby **KamiBrooks** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:04 pm

Wow, that is so beyond weird. i know some state (maybe only one) has laws agaist breeding horses in plain view of a public road, but it's a fine and not animal cruelty (so they can't seize the horse). The only other thing i could possibly think of is if there is a law against overworking, but if you aren't there asking for the "work", he's obviously choosing to do it.

Your neighbor sucks. i'd get a breeding band of pigs and put them on that property line to block the vew so they don't have to watch the poor stud anymore.

Can't believe AC would even get involved, would think they have more than enough starving animals to work on.

Bondama · Postby **Bondama** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:42 pm

Be very careful with your situation and don't assume it is going to end here.

I agree with that.

My other recommendation is that you DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. Dates, times, names, badge numbers, statements/comments made, questions asked, responses given, etc.

I have an ongoing problem with my neighbor. He hates me, hates my horses, and calls every county agency he can and makes false reports. They get investigated, the agencies have to, and they are all without fail dismissed. For 3.5 years, this has been going on, the most recent incident was 3 weeks ago when he complained to our Code Enforcement that I have too many horses! I have six on 10 acres. Our laws are 3 hoofed animals per acre, so tell me how that's too many. Anyway, I have a very long and detailed diary/journal/chronology of events, whatever. He is building my harassment and stalking case for me with every bogus complaint he makes. When I'm done suing him, I will have his non-homestead 50 acres across the road. If I did not have this written documentation, however, my case would be difficult.

DOCUMENT EVERYTHING.

Gerry · Postby **Gerry** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:31 pm

ratherrapid wrote:it is a bit of a mystery that those institutions set up to protect animals seem to be a target of people that profess to care about animals. next time you try to help a neglected horse, what are you going to do? call animal control, PETA, or your PETA hating right wing republican neighbor?

ratherrapid...I AM your PETA hating right wing, republican neighbor and yes if I was called to help an animal, I would be right over no matter what time of day it is!

Gerry · Postby **Gerry** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:39 pm

Bondama wrote:
Be very careful with your situation and don't assume it is going to end here.

I agree with that.

My other recommendation is that you DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. Dates, times, names, badge numbers, statements/comments made, questions asked, responses given, etc.

DOCUMENT EVERYTHING.

Fighting with a neighbor just stinks! And having to cross every T, cross every I is a pain in the butt. But in the long run look at how many "hooved" animals you can have on his 50 acres! :lol:

Our farm is set up so that you can see everything from 3 different roads, thanks to hills...the small amount of trees keeps the stallion from view most of the time.

I love the pig idea...a nice downwind would settle that right away. Someone mentioned that I should get into hogs a few years ago and "stink" out the neighbors we were having problems with but they moved before I could get the little oinkers!

Skipitgirl · Postby **Skipitgirl** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:08 pm

My 3 mares and stallion live in a pasture that is on Hwy 40 and across from our local high school. Although Pat has put on quite the show at times Ive never had a AC called on me. Usually just a question from the school kids walking by..."When will the babies be born" LOL!

horsenuts · Postby **horsenuts** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:16 pm

Where are we headed? This nation is becoming less and less appealing every year. Govt. regulators and law enforcement peeking into our windows so to speak etc. No right to privacy nor what one can do with their own property or animals. Bizzare that AC would even question what was taking place. Scary as well.

Gerry · Postby **Gerry** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:09 pm

Skipitgirl..you brought back memories from HighSchool. My parents had a son of Ragusa who lived on in the pasture with 5 or so mares. (I was young and stupid and used to ride the stallion and one of the mares bareback...I didnt know better..and there are pictures to prove it)...anyway, the high school track team used to run by the farm. I can remember hearing members of the track team talking about possibly hearing "BIGFOOT" :shock:

in our pastures in the spring. It was just the stallion talking to his girls, but they thought it was a monster. :lol:

Linda_d · Postby **Linda_d** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:41 am

madelyn wrote:Hmm. The AC "officer" called you from a NEIGHBOR's phone?? On your cellphone??

I would be, to paraphrase a Marine I once knew, go ahuntin' to kick some A$$ and take some names. Impersonation of an AC Officer must also be some kind of punishable offence.

This is my thought on this, too. Why would the AC "officer" call you on the neighbor's phone rather than simply drive up to your property and inform you of whatever violation he/she found?

myoldkyfarm · Postby **myoldkyfarm** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:41 am

Really no mystery there, I was not home at the time. I have confirmed with AC that this was an AC officer.

The stupidity here is that allowing a stallion to have herd companionship and to breed based on mare receptivity is now potentially a chargeable offense in central KY , I guess because there was not a person attached to each. I checked both horses carefully when I got home and they were both in fine shape and he was not even interested in her so my guess is that she was ovulating mid-day. The officer was clearly inexperienced based on some of the stupid statements but a stupid authority figure still has the authority to cause trouble.

My point in making the first post in this thread was to inform other posters that a simple management decision of allowing horses to pasture breed rather than with direct human supervision is not always a private or personal decision these days.

Bondama · Postby **Bondama** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:52 am

The stupidity here is that allowing a stallion to have herd companionship and to breed based on mare receptivity is now potentially a chargeable offense in central KY , I guess because there was not a person attached to each.

That really IS stupid.....did (or will) they give you a cite on the specific law?

soundfast · Postby **soundfast** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:35 am

If there isnt any specific law or local ordinance maybe you should complain to the mayor or the governor or whoever if you have any more problems. It usually pays to go to the top and complain. I never thought of local animal control as people with a sincere desire to help animals. They seem to be much more eager to kill them without trying to locate their owner or a good home. That is mostly dogs and sometimes cats that they take in and kill without advertising them on the internet or radio and they usually are open only a very short time per day and not on Sunday. I got 2 dogs as small puppies from the pound in a neighboring county in late 2004 and the only reason he let me take them was that they were not officially there because he had not done the paperwork yet. He said they refused to send him the forms that were needed to adopt animals out. My horse pasture breeds also but he is very quiet and never screams just makes that sound that says she is beautiful while arching his neck and she squeals and raises her front leg except when she is ready to be bred.

Bondama · Postby **Bondama** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:56 am

just makes that sound that says she is beautiful while arching his neck

I love that sound, too, don't you!??

Bunty Lawless · Postby **Bunty Lawless** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:49 pm

myoldkyfarm wrote:The stupidity here is that allowing a stallion to have herd companionship and to breed based on mare receptivity is now potentially a chargeable offense in central KY , I guess because there was not a person attached to each. I checked bot.

Perhaps that is because of the numerous starvation and abuse cases in KY, where mares were in with stallions, and there was much irresponsible breeding going on. Yes, responsibility is being legislated. It usually happens when lack of responsibility becomes a burden on society.

myoldkyfarm · Postby **myoldkyfarm** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:05 am

No, the issue in this case is not "irresponsible breeding". This is a well-bred stakes siring stallion breeding to proven producers, all in good health and weight. They are not accidentally together. The goal is for him to impregnate them. The issue was not that they were breeding it was that he was breeding the mare loose in the pasture vs in hand. That is why it is ridiculous.