BIG BROWN back on Winstrol....YES!

[jim10366]

"Dutrow said that unless Big Brown shows signs of a physical problem, the colt will be pointed to the Travers Stakes on Aug. 23 at Saratoga and then the Breeders' Cup Classic in October.

He also said that he will resume the horse's regular regimen of Winstrol injections on Sunday, despite claiming Big Brown does not need steroids.

Dutrow has maintained that Big Brown was properly prepared for the race, dismissing speculation the horse underperformed because he had been taken off steroids since April 15.

"He doesn't need any drugs; the Winstrol had nothing to do with it," Dutrow said. "I've never even had a vet look at this horse."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/ ... id=3437035

[horsenuts]

He's been more open about his treatment of this horse then anyone in memory. Until racing says no to steroids I have no problem with this. And Dutrow letting the public watch the farrier work being done on BB was unprecedented. Like him or not he is unafraid to pull back the curtain on racing and all that involves. Now many may not like what they see but keep in mind most other successful trainers of the past 50 years employed similar techniques.


And let me assure everyone that countless champions have raced on steroids with most HoF trainers using them as well. Some may tell you otherwise but they are either simply wrong.... or lying to protect a supposed reputation.

[dray33]

"He doesn't need any drugs; the Winstrol had nothing to do with it," Dutrow said. "I've never even had a vet look at this horse."

who administers the steroid then?

[dray33]

Now many may not like what they see but keep in mind most other successful trainers of the past 50 years employed similar techniques. And let me assure everyone that countless champions have raced on steroids with most HoF trainers using them as well.

Great. They certainly have left us some legacy. Nice job on managing the welfare of the breed. With continued support and lack of medication regulation, maybe in thirty more years we will be thankful thoroughbreds can still walk.

Hey horsenuts. Whats your point? If indeed trainers of the past, and horses of the past, used steroids and drugs (and I am sure they did)... does that make it any more tolerable today? It is defenseless. Bad for every single facet of the game. The horses. The owners (except the users). The public (except those that use steroid administration as a betting angle).

[horsenuts]

Now many may not like what they see but keep in mind most other successful trainers of the past 50 years employed similar techniques. And let me assure everyone that countless champions have raced on steroids with most HoF trainers using them as well.

Great. They certainly have left us some legacy. Nice job on managing the welfare of the breed. With continued support and lack of medication regulation, maybe in thirty more years we will be thankful thoroughbreds can still walk.

Hey horsenuts. Whats your point? If indeed trainers of the past, and horses of the past, used steroids and drugs (and I am sure they did)... does that make it any more tolerable today? It is defenseless. Bad for every single facet of the game. The horses. The owners (except the users). The public (except those that use steroid administration as a betting angle).

You need to read my posts closer. I'm against all race day medications.. most of all Lasix and have been for years now................. but until they ban them Kudos to Dutrow for being one of the very few trainers who will 'fess up' to what is actually going on behind racing's curtain. I hope some people can appreciate his candor and honesty in all this.... like him or not.


As for steroids.... they are about as commonly used as Lasix despite the denial of some trainers.

[hdembski]

cool, back on the juice! I guess i better take out a second mortgage to bet on BB for the travers! maybe i can get even money!

eh too back Casino drive went back, he'd whip him without any medications

[horsenuts]

cool, back on the juice! I guess i better take out a second mortgage to bet on BB for the travers! maybe i can get even money!

eh too back Casino drive went back, he'd whip him without any medications

If people think Casino Drive doesn't receive various pharmaceutical products/treatments from time to time I've got a bridge to sell to each and every one of them. Curlin went to Dubai and kicked their behinds running "cold" as required in Dubai. And Dutrow won two races on the same card. Thoughts?

[spex4me]

doesn't need them but , will go back on them. well that makes zero sense. If he really wants to put his money where his obnoxious mouth is he should just go back to Prado since that is the only reason BB lost the Belmont right...the jockey??!!!

[horsenuts]

doesn't need them but , will go back on them. well that makes zero sense. If he really wants to put his money where his obnoxious mouth is he should just go back to Prado since that is the only reason BB lost the Belmont right...the jockey??!!!

Lets be objective about this... Dutrow knows that just about every other horse he will be running against will have steroids of various types and to run one's horse 'cold' against those so using is a HUGE disadvantage. In racing you either keep up or fall by the wayside.


If you want to blame someone for this mess that has been revealed largely in part to Dutrow being so candid then look to the state racing commisions that allow so many drugs to be used including steroids. The trainers are just using what is allowed because if they don't their competitiors will and will outrun them nearly everytime as a result.

[dray33]

You need to read my posts closer. I'm against all race day medications.. most of all Lasix and have been for years now................. but until they ban them Kudos to Dutrow for being one of the very few trainers who will 'fess up' to what is actually going on behind racing's curtain. I hope some people can appreciate his candor and honesty in all this.... like him or not.

Good point. In some ways, Durtow might just be the one to do more to push the sport forward than any of these other tight lipped frauds.

[horsenuts]

You need to read my posts closer. I'm against all race day medications.. most of all Lasix and have been for years now................. but until they ban them Kudos to Dutrow for being one of the very few trainers who will 'fess up' to what is actually going on behind racing's curtain. I hope some people can appreciate his candor and honesty in all this.... like him or not.

Good point. In some ways, Durtow might just be the one to do more to push the sport forward than any of these other tight lipped frauds.

EXACTLY!!! Dutrow is like the first mafioso who told the authorities(or in this case the public) exactly what is going on.... intentional or not. Like him or not his candor is unique and I hope some racing fans appreciate what he has done in some respects.

[spex4me]

doesn't need them but , will go back on them. well that makes zero sense. If he really wants to put his money where his obnoxious mouth is he should just go back to Prado since that is the only reason BB lost the Belmont right...the jockey??!!!

Lets be objective about this... Dutrow knows that just about every other horse he will be running against will have steroids of various types and to run one's horse 'cold' against those so using is a HUGE disadvantage. In racing you either keep up or fall by the wayside.


If you want to blame someone for this mess that has been revealed largely in part to Dutrow being so candid then look to the state racing commisions that allow so many drugs to be used including steroids. The trainers are just using what is allowed because if they don't their competitiors will and will outrun them nearly everytime as a result.

I thought I was being objective. All I have heard from Dutrow was that it was not the horse, it was not himself, it was not the track, IT WAS the jock. Now if he had said, you know I think I may have altered Big Browns's chances by not administering Winstrol, I would think differently.
And if anybody thinks certain trainers will tame their ways, think again. It'll just be a game of how do do something illegally and not get caught. Not until the punishment becomes stiffer for infractions will any kind of rules on anything be effective.

[reenci]

"He doesn't need any drugs; the Winstrol had nothing to do with it," Dutrow said. "I've never even had a vet look at this horse."

who administers the steroid then?

hahaha ...excellent point dray but come on you know how trainers are.....most lie through there teeth.......horses retire sound..... ...go off to stud....."not a pimple on him "...its the nature of the game.......by the way ....he goes to the little black bag and does it himself .mmmmmmm

[KamiBrooks]

Lets be objective about this... Dutrow knows that just about every other horse he will be running against will have steroids of various types and to run one's horse 'cold' against those so using is a HUGE disadvantage. In racing you either keep up or fall by the wayside.

if steroids have no effect, had nothing to do with BB's shortfall, ... and all those other things that have been stated... Exactly what HUGE disadvantage would there be? He'd be well past any let down (that obviously didn't happen anyway)

From reading what some write, it seems like the only purpose of steroids is to profit the vets who administer them...and the owner's joy of writing a bigger check each month.

Wonder when Dutrow will get an official PR person so he doesn't talk to the press anymore?

BTW: PA tested for steroids before the ban started and found 60% of horses on some form of steriod prior to the ban. That's not exactly EVERYBODY. Since the ban, they've had 0.2% positive. Haven't read of any PA tracks closing yet, but guess they'll be gone (or have to resort to racing dogs) by 2009, right.

[dray33]

PA thought about it, researched it and instituted change. No round tables. No congressional hearings. No wait till next year. How blessedly noble of them. Let's hire them to run the whole country.