Interestingly, and sadly, as slaughter is made tougher, all Western states are experiencing a HUGE growth in wild/feral horse populations.
People are just turning them loose to starve. Is that better than slaughter?
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tbrace wrote:Interestingly, and sadly, as slaughter is made tougher, all Western states are experiencing a HUGE growth in wild/feral horse populations.
People are just turning them loose to starve. Is that better than slaughter?
Near as I can tell most anti-slaughter advocates see it that way. I haven't seen a rational explanation yet for why processing plants were closed.... just a lot of personal beliefs and emotions. Of course that's how Congress now legislates so look for more absurd legislation in the years ahead. I'm starting not to recognize this country more and more. The 'horse police' and animal police in general are the modern day Gestapo.
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You know who is letting feral horses onto the BLM lands? Ranchers who are overbreeding grade or low end horses, not training or caring for them to improve a market for them, then letting them loose as a Chicken Little Scheme--getting free range to fatten them for slaughter transport at the same time as claiming the sky is falling in the horse market and that the "Wild horses" are overpopulating the BLM and encroaching on their right to subsidized cattle grazing.
It is a cruel scheme--overbreed, let 'em loose (and cry foul on the grazing impact they are making), never train, give vet care or worm 'em, round 'em up and cry unwanted horses and make a lousy buck selling them on to the SH. After all, they aren't trained, or wanted. That is how it works folks--don't let these AQHA folks, paid SH mouthpieces, or killerbuyers fool you--it's all about breed, breed, breed and be da..ed about the horse. It's not just about being irresponsible--it's a downright business plan. Serious crack down on this intentional breeding for slaughter and you eliminate 50% of the "unwanted horse" problem in 2 years.
25% of the "unwanted horse" problem is the unsuspecting seller duped by a clean cut killer buyer, who sometimes recruits his family or friends kids to show up for your fat horse to give them a "great home'. Not unwanted horses, just duped to sale to that con man/woman.
So now we are down to 25%. let's split that at 13% retrainable--TBs, standardbreds off the track, broodies who aren't producing, horses with slight injuries who might need a few months of layup before going to a new career--easily assimilated and retrained. The other 12-13% probably have life threatening injury or illness or are old and thin. Not exactly the fat and beefy ones the KBers really are looking for--and they deserve a quick and merciful death--not hours and hours of brutality trying to survive the transport and holding pens, before the final awful end.
You dare pull the Gestapo card?, GOOD GRIEF! You sound like the SS!
It is a cruel scheme--overbreed, let 'em loose (and cry foul on the grazing impact they are making), never train, give vet care or worm 'em, round 'em up and cry unwanted horses and make a lousy buck selling them on to the SH. After all, they aren't trained, or wanted. That is how it works folks--don't let these AQHA folks, paid SH mouthpieces, or killerbuyers fool you--it's all about breed, breed, breed and be da..ed about the horse. It's not just about being irresponsible--it's a downright business plan. Serious crack down on this intentional breeding for slaughter and you eliminate 50% of the "unwanted horse" problem in 2 years.
25% of the "unwanted horse" problem is the unsuspecting seller duped by a clean cut killer buyer, who sometimes recruits his family or friends kids to show up for your fat horse to give them a "great home'. Not unwanted horses, just duped to sale to that con man/woman.
So now we are down to 25%. let's split that at 13% retrainable--TBs, standardbreds off the track, broodies who aren't producing, horses with slight injuries who might need a few months of layup before going to a new career--easily assimilated and retrained. The other 12-13% probably have life threatening injury or illness or are old and thin. Not exactly the fat and beefy ones the KBers really are looking for--and they deserve a quick and merciful death--not hours and hours of brutality trying to survive the transport and holding pens, before the final awful end.
You dare pull the Gestapo card?, GOOD GRIEF! You sound like the SS!
going4stamina wrote:You know who is letting feral horses onto the BLM lands? Ranchers who are overbreeding grade or low end horses, not training or caring for them to improve a market for them, then letting them loose as a Chicken Little Scheme--getting free range to fatten them for slaughter transport at the same time as claiming the sky is falling in the horse market and that the "Wild horses" are overpopulating the BLM and encroaching on their right to subsidized cattle grazing.
It is a cruel scheme--overbreed, let 'em loose (and cry foul on the grazing impact they are making), never train, give vet care or worm 'em, round 'em up and cry unwanted horses and make a lousy buck selling them on to the SH. After all, they aren't trained, or wanted. That is how it works folks--don't let these AQHA folks, paid SH mouthpieces, or killerbuyers fool you--it's all about breed, breed, breed and be da..ed about the horse. It's not just about being irresponsible--it's a downright business plan. Serious crack down on this intentional breeding for slaughter and you eliminate 50% of the "unwanted horse" problem in 2 years.
25% of the "unwanted horse" problem is the unsuspecting seller duped by a clean cut killer buyer, who sometimes recruits his family or friends kids to show up for your fat horse to give them a "great home'. Not unwanted horses, just duped to sale to that con man/woman.
So now we are down to 25%. let's split that at 13% retrainable--TBs, standardbreds off the track, broodies who aren't producing, horses with slight injuries who might need a few months of layup before going to a new career--easily assimilated and retrained. The other 12-13% probably have life threatening injury or illness or are old and thin. Not exactly the fat and beefy ones the KBers really are looking for--and they deserve a quick and merciful death--not hours and hours of brutality trying to survive the transport and holding pens, before the final awful end.
You dare pull the Gestapo card?, GOOD GRIEF! You sound like the SS!
I haven't met a rancher yet who has done what you are accussing. But it certainly makes a good plea for your cause. That will sell real good if you can get it before Congress. More tripe for the dupes that legislate.
Perhaps people that want to dedicate their lives to horses can get a job as a 21st century "Equine Funeral Director" or would "Equine Undertaker" be the better title? There sure isn't any future in training or racing horses as the bitter wannabes from PETA and the like are bent on seeing racing and all that entails destroyed. Many weren't good enough to cut it in the industry themselves and the rest are crackpots with no life who have no idea about the realities of animal husbandry. All they have is time... time to lobby Congress with their lies and twisted agenda while faxing our failed elected officials 24/7 to enact more dubious legislation.
Anyone with half a brain knows these upcoming Congressional hearings have the PETA crowd leading the charge and those with similar ideas about how the horse industry should be run. A pitiful lot that couldn't cut it so they turn to big brother(albeit an incompetent big brother that has failed miserably) to carry out their wants.
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horsenuts wrote:tbrace wrote:Interestingly, and sadly, as slaughter is made tougher, all Western states are experiencing a HUGE growth in wild/feral horse populations.
People are just turning them loose to starve. Is that better than slaughter?
Near as I can tell most anti-slaughter advocates see it that way. I haven't seen a rational explanation yet for why processing plants were closed.... just a lot of personal beliefs and emotions. Of course that's how Congress now legislates so look for more absurd legislation in the years ahead. I'm starting not to recognize this country more and more. The 'horse police' and animal police in general are the modern day Gestapo.
closed? If you watch any of the clips on the net or read the articles it tells of why these places were closed. When they feel "no one is watching" they mistreat the animals. I'm aware of "bait and trap" in controlling deer population. If there is a overpopulation i don't have a problem killing instead of them starving, do it humanely and not to sell meat.
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horsenuts wrote:tbrace wrote:Interestingly, and sadly, as slaughter is made tougher, all Western states are experiencing a HUGE growth in wild/feral horse populations.
People are just turning them loose to starve. Is that better than slaughter?
Near as I can tell most anti-slaughter advocates see it that way. I haven't seen a rational explanation yet for why processing plants were closed.... just a lot of personal beliefs and emotions. Of course that's how Congress now legislates so look for more absurd legislation in the years ahead. I'm starting not to recognize this country more and more. The 'horse police' and animal police in general are the modern day Gestapo.
closed? If you watch any of the clips on the net or read the articles it tells of why these places were closed. When they feel "no one is watching" they mistreat the animals. I'm aware of "bait and trap" in controlling deer population. If there is a overpopulation i don't have a problem killing instead of them starving, do it humanely and not to sell meat.
Every horse racing forum begs to have a specific area set up for the topics of horse slaughter, drugs, breakdowns, and the other issues that bother a narrow segment of the poster population. The other posters are quite aware of the problems, but aren't obsessed by them (or don't consider them to be major or even problems at all).
The forums would be much nicer places, as there wouldn't be the constant tension between the various groups. The topics would be guaranteed adequate exposure, while other parts of the forum wouldn't be cluttered by them.
It would also tend to keep the crank and kook population isolated in a specific ward that can be avoided easily. This is not to say that all such advocates are flakes, but that the flakes tend to gravitate to those areas.
The forums would be much nicer places, as there wouldn't be the constant tension between the various groups. The topics would be guaranteed adequate exposure, while other parts of the forum wouldn't be cluttered by them.
It would also tend to keep the crank and kook population isolated in a specific ward that can be avoided easily. This is not to say that all such advocates are flakes, but that the flakes tend to gravitate to those areas.
The Gestapo were into killing people. As for horses being turned loose to starve somebody in the government local or national is supposed to make sure that does not happen and anybody caught abandoning an animal be it horse or dog is prosecuted. If I had a choice between hauled in a slaughter truck being kicked and bitten without food or water or a chance to rest and being prodded and beaten and hit in the head a dozen times all of which are painful experiences I would choose fending for myself and trying to find enough to eat. I would rather risk starvation which is not painful but uncomfortable and makes one weak and dizzy and likely to become unconscious than go through the agony suffered by those horses. I have gone without food for days so I know what it is like. I would have some chance to survive and possibly be rescued. A new horse rescue called the Duchess Sanctuary is opening in Oregon on over 1,100 acres and it will be run by the Humane Society Of The United States. They can take in a lot of horses that need help with that much land and they have recieved millions of dollars to care for horses. Cruelty did not start with the closing of the slaughterhouses. A local man in my county was arrested 3 times starting in the 1980's for cruelty to horses and they finally ordered him not to own horses again. He nailed shut stall doors and did not feed some horses and they were found dead in their stalls + there were others starving outside. All 3 times he was arrested there were slaughterhouses open in the US.
"it's a downright business plan."
Ah, yes, and all the cattlemen in the country have this same plan. Breed, breed, breed and then send them to the killers. Horses are livestock. Some folks call them pets and believe there is some kind of comradare between themselves and their darlings. But most horses don't give a s**t about you unless you have a feed bucket in your hand.
If you look at the article in this post about the Canadian slaughterhouse it says there are rules that ensure that it done humanely. If the rules are not being followed then it is up to regulators to enforce them.
Ah, yes, and all the cattlemen in the country have this same plan. Breed, breed, breed and then send them to the killers. Horses are livestock. Some folks call them pets and believe there is some kind of comradare between themselves and their darlings. But most horses don't give a s**t about you unless you have a feed bucket in your hand.
If you look at the article in this post about the Canadian slaughterhouse it says there are rules that ensure that it done humanely. If the rules are not being followed then it is up to regulators to enforce them.
Humane slaughter has been law in the US since 1959 but the law has been repeatedly broken by those slaughtering cattle as well as horses. Canada is no better. The Canadian government every year gives people permission to beat to death baby seals by the hundreds of thousands and most of them do not die a humane death. I would not trust the Canadian government to regulate horse slaughter any better than they regulate seal slaughter(which is for fur not meat). My horses care about me just like I care about them. They will follow me sometimes when I have no feed and they enjoy my petting and talking to them. Maybe you never gave any love and that's why you never got any.