Yikes! Rose Gets Six Month Suspension

[steward]

Jeremy Rose is a beneficiary of the times -- one, three, five years from now when the federal Department of Horse Racing is up and running, he will be looking at a felony. Jail time.

Don't laugh. That is the natural end result of people slobbering for federal oversight. Some of them are well-meaning but overemotional guys like dray. But a lot of them are PETA sleazebags posing as horse racing fans, and (barely) concealing their true natures.

[ratherrapid]

steward as a PETA member I resemble that remark. Rose lost his cool and in addition accidentally hit the horse in the eye. Could have caused a train wreck. i'd be one of those to analyze incidents and judge each for itself. Of late on this board we seem to have a plethora of overreaction and misanalysis just like the mainstream press. Seems to me since this is a horse board, somebody might look at why so many want to jump all over every incident as if it's the end of the world. Suspend Dutrow and Asmussen for a year, but avoid calling them intentional cheats unless you've got the goods.

[dray33]

I'm not the only overemotional guy... according to the congressional hearings, when the issue of a central governance (and Federal involvement) came up, all but one fairly accountable fellas (Van Berg, Hancock, Jackson, Shapiro) panelist agreed:

Question and answer period: "Do you believe Horse Racing should be governed by a central body similar to the national Football League ... similar to the central body in Great Britain?"

Marzelli: "Industry led, yes, Federal oversight no."
Shapiro: "I absolutely believe that there needs to be a Central Governance body"
Van Berg: "I believe the same thing"
Moss "Yes"
hancock "Yes"
Jackson "Yes, but I think you aught to give industry a chance, and if they dont step up, you better step in"

"Should the benefits of the Interstate Horseracing Act be used to enforce penalties":

Marzelli: "No."
Shapiro: "As a last resort, Yes"
Van Berg: "I believe Yes, with zero medication"
Moss: "As an outside observer looking into the industry, I cant think of any other stick that would work, so my answer would be a conditional yes"
Hancock: "Yes ... I think thats the only thing we can do to get it right"
Jackson: "I'm a firm yes, unless something happens quickly by the industry"

You can blame me for emotionalism, I am probably guilty of that. But it really sets me off to think that the stewards of this sport have let it come to this. Government intervention. How revolting. DECADES of absolute corruption get you "people slobbering for federal oversight". It doesn't happen in a vacuum. It happens when the stench becomes so overwhelming, even those miles away start to wretch.

[ArchDandy]

A member of peta here? do you fully understand the goals of this organization? To fully separate animals and peope...forever. No contact, nothing.

[ratherrapid]

would you prefer the biblical view, Archdandy?

[ArchDandy]

Im not sure what you mean. I just find it very odd that a horse racing fan can be a peta member too...seeing as how the organization detests anyone who deals with or keeps animals...which...would include you if you own any critters yourself.

[ratherrapid]

it's possible, obviously. perhaps you mistate or exaggerate the positions.

[ArchDandy]

I only understand what peta has said themselves...and they are very harsh about their ways...I just think it odd for anyone educated to be involved in it...they lie about everything, and fund arson...and destroy almost all the animals given to them...whilst condemning places like the spca...that rehome as many as they can.

[ratherrapid]

since this is a Jeremy Rose thread, Arch I'll end it here on PETA. Let's agree that they're controversial.

[Barbaro06]

I am not a member of PETA. Nor do I get emotional about federal oversight of horse racing--the industry needs to police itself. Until then, it seems to be business as usual. If nothing is done, it will be driven to its own grave.

Horse racing was banned in the past because of the gambling brought about all sorts of ugly behavior out in people. And yes, they hopped the crap out of horses in the past--but there was no drug testing back then. I'm sick of the "win at all costs" mentality in this country nowadays. Kids grow up thinking...nay, believing that cheating is the only way to make it. Screw being honest and kind. Screw working hard at anything. Can't get that slow horse to win? Dope him up until he wins, even on three or two good legs and then dump him. Enough is enough.

I believe the six months JR got was just. Yes, he could have caused a train wreck with that belt in the eye. Lucky for all on the course it did not happen.

[dray33]

I'm sick of the "win at all costs" mentality in this country nowadays. Kids grow up thinking...nay, believing that cheating is the only way to make it. Screw being honest and kind. Screw working hard at anything.

They are taught that by their parents. Unsound breeding practices

[steward]

Sure, Congress made it look like everyone at the hearing was on the same page by stacking the deck. Randy Moss, in his NTRA column, admitted that he was uneasy about that.

But that is the state of political debate in this country: it's lopsided, and done intentionally. The national and local media are in the tank for one political party (and it's the one that panders to animal rights radicals). Polls have demonstrated it; a check of political donations by media members confirms it.

In every earthly activity, there is some risk of danger. Humans accept it all the time for their own persons or their children. People don't live in bubble-wrapped steel chambers. The same attitude should applied to dumb animals: if some are injured or killed while being used for need or pleasure, big deal. It's worse in nature.

Personally, I kill big spiders and step on ants. Sometimes I nuke them with poisons. I eat meat with a smile. If horsemeat was more available, I might try it. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with those actions; however, flakes are trying to lay a guilt trip on the citizenry. The media is helping them out.

[dray33]

Well that's all a bit too heavy for me, I'm about 4 fingers deep into a nice single malt... so I will just add: there's a wind a blowin', and no amount of excuses or posturing is going to hide the excesses of our past. Three decades of abuse is about to come to a screeching halt, and if it takes the government to do it, we deserve every bit of what we get. You seem like an old school kinda cat, so you know the lesson of reaping what you sew. I agree with you about the media, but the truth is, in the case of "thugs and drugs", it's a loose cannon about to be aimed right up our collective arse. And it will force the change that has been too long accepted.

[dray33]

Personally, I kill big spiders and step on ants.

As long as you don't go out of your way to kill spiders and ants. In the home or accidentally I get. Stomping on them for fun is a karma hit.

[wilf]

Anyway, back to the actual crux of this thread, having watched the race pan shot and head on ,Rose's action certainly was not done in sustained anger and happily the filly was not seriously hurt. I think that the punishment is way out of line with the crime,when big stables are given hand slaps for using powerful painkillers time and again and performance enhancing drugsare used with abandon in this country. Rose was a first time offender acting impulsively with only one quick ill-advised flick of the whip,the results of which he has shown great remorse.When the trainer supports the jockey in this incident then i feel that the whole incident has been harshly treated. This not to say that we should look the other way every time an animal safety violation occurs and the strong backlash is expected in view of the current climate since the tribulations of the triple crown.